AT -5

DETAILERS:

Does anyone here on the Phorum, besides Buffer Bill, use AT-5 from GEM Equipment in Florida?

If so, what is your opinion of the product and what do you pay per gallon?

Thanks

Nobody ever used AT5. If nobody use it then how can people say its no good when nobody ever used it.

I'm sure it's a good product, especially if it's been around for so long. What was the last protectant product you used that didn't improve the appearance of your finish? Are there any bad sealants out there? It's all just so subjective. One of the biggest attributes that makes a product different/better is how easy it applies & removes.

I'm sure it's a good product, especially if it's been around for so long. What was the last protectant product you used that didn't improve the appearance of your finish? Are there any bad sealants out there? It's all just so subjective. One of the biggest attributes that makes a product different/better is how easy it applies & removes.

Pro-Techt Wrote:
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> I'm sure it's a good product, especially if it's
> been around for so long. What was the last
> protectant product you used that didn't improve
> the appearance of your finish? Are there any bad
> sealants out there? It's all just so subjective.
> One of the biggest attributes that makes a product
> different/better is how easy it applies & removes.


Why is it subjective to determine a bad sealant? If they all improve the appearance then what else would
determine a bad sealant besides how easy it applies & removes.

What about if the sealant will hold up to 2 car washes done the right way? Here is a great example of this point:

[forum.e46fanatics.com]

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He stated(the owner of the car) that he had done lots of homework, researching what products to use and the correct way to wash and care for the car. He just couldn’t understand why he was experiencing these problems, since there was only 250 miles on the car and he had only washed it twice.

Clearly, whatever that was applied to this car paint was the problem here. The owner admits this: he had done lots of homework, researching what products to use and the correct way to wash and care for the car. So is this a reason for being a bad sealant considering it did not last more than 2 washes, or is this TOO subjective ?



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/20/2012 09:59PM by detailer.

Larry A Wrote:
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> Nobody ever used AT5. If nobody use it then how
> can people say its no good when nobody ever used
> it.


Larry

Great question! Although,do not hold your breath for a response from Bud.

In my over FOUR DECADES of being in the detailing industry, I can not recall any shop or detailer who used the product.
I am sure there are some out there who do use it, it is not a bad product, just a bit behind the times in regards to changes in new products, their chemical components.
Grumpy

Ketch22 Wrote:
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> In my over FOUR DECADES of being in the detailing
> industry, I can not recall any shop or detailer
> who used the product.
> I am sure there are some out there who do use it,
> it is not a bad product, just a bit behind the
> times in regards to changes in new products, their
> chemical components.
> Grumpy


Ron

Would you explain why it is just a bit behind the times exactly?WHY DO YOU AVOID THIS QUESTION?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/22/2012 05:08PM by detailer.

Hey, Bud,
Did you ever, in your few decades of testing, marketing, training of a products use, take a look at this product?

In your travels around the world, to countries and such around the world, were you ever asked about or such of this product?

Since I traveled, most of the time on "their nickel", to go around the world, to many countries,from 1987 until I retired in 2008, to educate and train folks in the correct processes of "total detailing" of an autombile, not just the finish but interiors, trim, motors, etc.

I have thought back about this and can not recall anyone, in any country, ask me "what about this miracle product AT5?".

Gee, if the product is that great, the answer to all the problems of protection, swirl free, etc, I would think that some one in one of the 50+ countries that I worked in would have said something, don't you?

So, as I recall, I may have asked these folks about many "protection products", and didn't get anything but a blind stare when I may have mentioned it by it's name, that which is promoted by someone on this forum.

Not saying it is a bad product, for in my years, I did do some testing of it,. and it's not a bad product, but no miracle product.

Just totally amazed that no one else, whom I have spent quality time with, in the detailing world, around most countries, had a clue of how great the product may be.

Yet, there is this "one" person, who continues to make statements regarding how "earth shattering" the product is, "how it is far superior" to any other product available to anyone on the planet.

As we both are aware, from our "documented work in the detailing industry", and which,anyone can go check on ,without a You-Tube video of some manipulated digital, cheap camera, with the lighting done to hide any reality, who you are, what you have accomplished in your dedicated years to the detailing industry, as they can regarding myself and what I am, who I am, and what I have done in the industry for almost as many years as you.

I do find it very interesting that such "promotion" of such a product, for so much time, has went on and yet, "no body, other than one "shill" of the person ,has anything to contribute about it's "miracle" abilities.

Grumpy

detailer Wrote:
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>
> If they all improve the appearance then what else
> would determine a bad sealant besides how easy it
> applies & removes.
>
>

That "what else" could be the person who always pushes said product to everyone as a miracle protectant thus turning everyone off by their constant lip service that makes zero sense to no one. That in itself can destroy a product's reputation. Like I've said before, AT-5 probably isn't a bad product, but there has to be a reason why nobody on any forum (besides Bill) talks about it. And how coincidental that nobody talks about GEM's ancient buffer too? Correction....people have mentioned it, but only to make fun of how pathetic it's power is outdated. Oh, that's right..you don't need to do machine correction. Opps, I guess you do if you use wax and poly sealants. Boy o boy, I sure am missing out on this incredible opportunity. How can i detail another car without having this life changing product at my fingertips????

Pro-Techt Wrote:
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> detailer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > If they all improve the appearance then what
> else
> > would determine a bad sealant besides how easy
> it
> > applies & removes.
> >
> >
>
> That "what else" could be the person who always
> pushes said product to everyone as a miracle
> protectant thus turning everyone off by their
> constant lip service that makes zero sense to no
> one. That in itself can destroy a product's
> reputation. Like I've said before, AT-5 probably
> isn't a bad product, but there has to be a reason
> why nobody on any forum (besides Bill) talks about
> it. And how coincidental that nobody talks about
> GEM's ancient buffer too? Correction....people
> have mentioned it, but only to make fun of how
> pathetic it's power is outdated. Oh, that's
> right..you don't need to do machine correction.
> Opps, I guess you do if you use wax and poly
> sealants. Boy o boy, I sure am missing out on
> this incredible opportunity. How can i detail
> another car without having this life changing
> product at my fingertips????


David

You are just a little cry baby who just has to argue ,insult, and disagree when you do not get your way. If this is your way of showing how smart you are in the detailing field, it is not. I never mentioned one thing about Gem's polisher.
I have one, and never use it. What does that have do with AT-5?

I really do not understand your obsession to polish every car you do as proof you are a professional.Like Ron you feel this need to repeat things I never said. Yes, correction may be needed in some cases, but you rely on it as the only way to maintain a perfect finish. You cannot accept that your precious waxes and sealant could be causing the problem.Instead you as many others push this idea that improper washing causes the problem. It makes about as much sense that guns do not kill people,but bullets do.

Your detailing experience boils down to running a Mc Donald's operation for a car dealer. Now that you are a moderator of a car forum that sells these products for a living which shows your bias here. If want to continue your manner of detailing that is just fine with me,but like I told you back when you came on this forum if I sent you a sample of AT-5 it would sit on the self with your other waxes and sealants.

The reason why AT-5 is not talked about on forums is simple. Guys like you do not want it discussed. You showed that in your blunder to make me a sideshow on your forum that lasted all of one day. When your members could not refute one thing I said with facts they restored to the same logic as this post.

I really am not here to win friends with you,Bud,or Ron, but just to refute this total crap that guys like you repeat as fact. You are like politicians repeating propaganda from companies that make waxes, poly sealants, and correction products for money.

You dwell on AT-5, but miss the point completely. NO ONE WANTS OR LIKES SWIRL MARKS.If you were a professional than you would listen instead of arguing and dismissing everything I say like a nut job.
i

Ketch22 Wrote:
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> Hey, Bud,
> Did you ever, in your few decades of testing,
> marketing, training of a products use, take a look
> at this product?
>
> In your travels around the world, to countries and
> such around the world, were you ever asked about
> or such of this product?
>
> Since I traveled, most of the time on "their
> nickel", to go around the world, to many
> countries,from 1987 until I retired in 2008, to
> educate and train folks in the correct processes
> of "total detailing" of an autombile, not just the
> finish but interiors, trim, motors, etc.
>
> I have thought back about this and can not recall
> anyone, in any country, ask me "what about this
> miracle product AT5?".
>
> Gee, if the product is that great, the answer to
> all the problems of protection, swirl free, etc, I
> would think that some one in one of the 50+
> countries that I worked in would have said
> something, don't you?
>
> So, as I recall, I may have asked these folks
> about many "protection products", and didn't get
> anything but a blind stare when I may have
> mentioned it by it's name, that which is promoted
> by someone on this forum.
>
> Not saying it is a bad product, for in my years, I
> did do some testing of it,. and it's not a bad
> product, but no miracle product.
>
> Just totally amazed that no one else, whom I have
> spent quality time with, in the detailing world,
> around most countries, had a clue of how great the
> product may be.
>
> Yet, there is this "one" person, who continues to
> make statements regarding how "earth shattering"
> the product is, "how it is far superior" to any
> other product available to anyone on the planet.
>
> As we both are aware, from our "documented work in
> the detailing industry", and which,anyone can go
> check on ,without a You-Tube video of some
> manipulated digital, cheap camera, with the
> lighting done to hide any reality, who you are,
> what you have accomplished in your dedicated years
> to the detailing industry, as they can regarding
> myself and what I am, who I am, and what I have
> done in the industry for almost as many years as
> you.
>
> I do find it very interesting that such
> "promotion" of such a product, for so much time,
> has went on and yet, "no body, other than one
> "shill" of the person ,has anything to contribute
> about it's "miracle" abilities.
>
> Grumpy


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So, as I recall, I may have asked these folks
> about many "protection products", and didn't get
> anything but a blind stare when I may have
> mentioned it by it's name, that which is promoted
> by someone on this forum

Quote:


> Not saying it is a bad product, for in my years, I
> did do some testing of it,. and it's not a bad
> product, but no miracle product.

Quote:

Yet, there is this "one" person, who continues to
> make statements regarding how "earth shattering"
> the product is, "how it is far superior" to any
> other product available to anyone on the planet.
>
> As we both are aware, from our "documented work in
> the detailing industry", and which,anyone can go
> check on ,without a You-Tube video of some
> manipulated digital, cheap camera, with the
> lighting done to hide any reality, who you are,
> what you have accomplished in your dedicated years
> to the detailing industry, as they can regarding
> myself and what I am, who I am, and what I have
> done in the industry for almost as many years as
> you.
>
> I do find it very interesting that such
> "promotion" of such a product, for so much time,
> has went on and yet, "no body, other than one
> "shill" of the person ,has anything to contribute
> about it's "miracle" abilities.
>


Ron

What is your agenda? Are you a shill for outdated products?
Now you say you have tested AT-5.

Besides going on about your glorious experience, what facts have you shown I am wrong?



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/22/2012 05:05PM by detailer.