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Dear Autopia.org members. In case you haven’t noticed, over the last few weeks we’ve had dozens of old members re-join our community. To put it to you as honestly as possible, many of these people were banned from our forum at one time or another for undisclosed reasons. Our administration has been hard at work for several months working behind the scenes reviewing the long list of banned members and have come to the conclusion of lifting many of their bans. We’ve not only read and cross referenced through thousands of their posts, but also the journals of our private moderator forum in search of an acceptable shred of evidence to assist with our new found decision. After this review, we feel there is no plausible reason to warrant the continuance of their banning from the forum under our new belief system.


In case you weren’t aware, our forum changed ownership approximately 2 years ago and the way it’s now managed and its focus is totally different than how it was previously. Many (especially these banned members) have been quite pleased to find that David Byron is no longer involved with our forum in any way, shape or form! We would like you to know that we are working hard to build new relationships as well as patching up prior ones. Another thing that many may or may not know is that the prior administration had a tendency of deleting/editing posts and banning members due to their affiliations within the detailing industry. We do not wish to place any blame on the Moderators that were in charge at the time of these people’s demise as the decision to ban these people were ultimately directed by and under the custody and care of the Administrator. We find many of these practices appalling and we are doing everything possible to rebuild people’s trust in us. We find it very unfortunate that several were banned from a forum that they obviously spent a great deal of time building up. And for that we at Autopia would like to say thanks. Moving forward, we would like to personally apologize for the prior administration’s actions and would hope that they at least consider our efforts at face value. At any rate this message may straighten out and update people’s perception of us. I look forward to everyone’s future participation!

We are happy to announce that these people have officially been reinstated back onto Autopia.org:

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Constantly Ron and David{a moderator on this forum) repeat like parrots that I am banned from all these forums.
Please notice Ron Ketcham has his name on that list, but where is mine? It is not there.

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With our new stance we’ve chosen to take a totally open door policy to discussion and we truly feel this makes our forum very dynamic compared to all others. Moving forward, we endorse and encourage people to discuss all types and brands of products and processes as long as it remains within our rule system.


David and Ron now say I have been banned from this forum for one post I made that violated the rules. Well, lets see.


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Basically, if you have a opinion different from the others on the forum you are banned. I never registered a alternative ID to create problems.

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In the interest of being an open an unbiased forum where users can discuss products and experiences freely, manufactures or affiliates of car car products can not talk about their products or offer tech support on their products. Without mentioning their products, manufactures and affiliates are free to talk about detailing, share techniques and discuss car care in general.

As I have said many times, I am not paid by Gem, nor am I a affiliate either. My post that was taken down after ONE day,and AT-5 was never mentioned once.. It was just an explanation of MY experiences of not having swirl mark problems.


Listen to these respected pros rant on:


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He can't pull this crap anywhere except this place. And that's why he's been banned so much. It's not hard to see right though this guy once he starts to open his mouth up. Everyone is wrong except him....Yeah right!
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I do have to wonder, just how many folks came in here, expecting some serious responses to their concerns and felt it was not a place that was comfortable for them, once they read posts by the HACKER, his manner of attacking anyone who did not fit his personal agenda, and due to his "rants" and "attempts to discredit" folks who have a following on the very forums that banned him?
Not good for Paul or the forum, in my opinion.



All I have shown here is that these two pros are nothing but control freaks who do not like ANYONE questioning their
opinions. They have all the right to attack me without question, but scream and cry when someone points out what they say.

I have not told one person here to do things my way at all. I do not use vulgar terms toward Dave or Ron which I cannot say about them. It is just my opinion , and that is it. If you choose to use correction in your business than go right ahead, but do not expect me to follow in line with others over before and after pics without pointing out that after several months that pic could look very different.


They are the ones trying to ban me here, and it is wrong. They IGNORE questions directed toward them which they do not like, and respond with irrational insults.



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What you should know about Bird Droppings on wax
What I am about to reveal is common knowledge in the wax industry but seldom exposed to the public.

Ever wonder why bird droppings are so hard to remove the longer they sit on your car?

Or just the opposite, rinse off so easily?

Most natural wax used in automotive products comes from trees, A popular type is carnuaba. People like it because of it's ability to get rock hard.
These hard waxes offer a small degree of protection over softer waxes.

They last longer and are harder to remove. People who use these waxes suffer the most from bird droppings left sitting on their car.

The reason is very simple, so simple most people don't put the two and two together to realise the cause.

Birds eat tree seeds, leaves and fruit. They have a system filled with acids designed to digest these things.

The droppings are liquidfied by the acid which continues to work on your wax once the droppings comes in contact with it.

The wax on your car will be eaten into and the bird droppings will begin to mix with the wax almost bonding the two together.

When the droppings are removes there is a foot print left by the droppings that is etched into the wax.

Depending on how hard your wax is will determine how hard it is to get rid of the droppings. At this point the hardness of the wax works against you.

Non wax products are not effected the same way. Generally non wax products do not provide a base for bird droppings to hold onto and they leave nothing for the droppings to blend with.

On a side note, Tree sap is a form of natural wax, this attribute helps it stick to the paint that is why it takes some effort to get it off your car.
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[Ever wonder why bird droppings are so hard to remove the longer they sit on your car?]

The longer the acid is allowed to sit on a surface the more time it has to permeate the paint protection and the clear coat. Reactivity - when you have an acid + moisture +oxygen + ozone all of which equates to a highly concentrated acidic solution, add heat (reactivity) to this equation, and you have the causes of pitting, a concave indentation on the paint surface. Heat and water act as a catalyst (reactivity); a vehicle paint surface temperature of >90.oF creates a very aggressive reactivity of the Alkaline, Uric Acid and Ammonia. This will cause surface etching, so they should be removed without delay. In this case, paint care not only serves aesthetics, but also helps preserve the vehicles.

[Most natural wax used in automotive products comes from trees, A popular type is carnuaba. People like it because of it's ability to get rock hard.
These hard waxes offer a small degree of protection over softer waxes]

A hard or soft wax have the same resistance to acidic bird excrement...very limited

[Generally non wax products do not provide a base for bird droppings to hold onto and they leave nothing for the droppings to blend with]

The acid permeates the polymer sealant and etches the clear coat it doesn't need a 'base' to hold onto
Be cognizant that there are no polymers, nanotechnology coatings or waxes that are acid-proof; they all only offer short-term resistance. The most pertinent factor is to have a layer of (sacrificial) protection between the acid and your paint surface. The second is to ensure that is removed and any residue is neutralized as soon as possible.

For added protection apply an organic wax over the polymer sealant, as this acts as a sacrificial barrier and by washing the vehicles paint surface plus the reapplication of the sacrificial barrier on a regular basis.


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Good information about acids. TOGWT
However automotive paint is not effected by bird droppings like wax.
It takes a different type of acid to etch into paint.
As we know there are acids we come into contact with every day, mostly in our foods. Our systems are designed to handle these acids. Hot sauce and soda pop are two common ones.
The point is, all acids do not have the same effect on all materials, even acids that are considered extremely corrosive may have no effect on certain materials. Glass is one material acids are stored in because of it's resistance to acidic corrosion

Car manufactures have known about bird droppings for years, longer than they have known about UV rays. Modern automotive paint is designed to cope with those elements it commonly comes in contact with.
If you want to etch into paint, a couple of ways are to drop a egg on it or pour some brake fluid on it, now you got acid that will effect paint and clear coat.

You cannot protect wax with more wax, You will just end up with a harder job of cleaning when the acid begins to eat into the wax.
The more layers of wax you have on a car, the deeper the etchings can go.

As for autopia.org, I don't consider them a credible source of information as they are known for:
1. Banning members who don't agree with their conclusions
2. Spreading bias and misleading information.
3. A history of infecting computers with malware and spyware.

I value your input but I don't waste my time on autopia anymore. I would never recommend it to anyone I was honestly trying to help.
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Bird excrement consits of Uric acid , C5H4N4O3 [a diprotic acid , thus in strong alkali at high pH it forms the dually charged full urate ion, but at biological pH or in the presence of carbonic acid or carbonate ions it forms the singly charged hydrogen or acid urate ion as its pKa2 is greater than the pKa1 of carbonic acid.

And your hypothesis is that paint and or wax is resistant to these acids?
There are no polymers (inc clear coat paint), nanotechnology coatings or waxes that are acid-proof; they all only offer short-term resistance.

[The more layers of wax you have on a car, the deeper the etchings can go]

This statement doesn't make any sense and there is absolutely no scientific basis for it

Autopia changed hands some years ago and is under a totally different management. The original owner David Byron sold all rights to it to 3D .I have my own section (TOGWT® Autopia Detailing Wiki - [www.autopia.org]) within this forum
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And your hypothesis is that paint and or wax is resistant to these acids?
There are no polymers (inc clear coat paint), nanotechnology coatings or waxes that are acid-proof; they all only offer short-term resistance.

[The more layers of wax you have on a car, the deeper the etchings can go]

This statement doesn't make any sense and there is absolutely no scientific basis for it
Automotive acrylic paint is basically plastic. Plastic is used as a container for several corrosive acids, You can verify this at your local hardware or just look at the battery in your car, It has a plastic case and it is filled with acid.
As I said before, different materials have different reactions to acids, all acids do not have the same effect on all materials.

Paint is not effected by bird droppings like wax is.
Just as paint is not effected by soap like wax.

As far as scientific basis for the layer statement.
It makes sense to anyone who will take the time to reason.
The foundation for that observation is the fact that when layers build up on a surface they increase depth. The deeper the wax layers the deeper the acid is able to eat into it.
The depth of the wax is negligible but it becomes thicker as it it layered on, making a stronger foundation for the acid to blend into.
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"There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid answers" - Anon

You obviously have far more experience than i do, so I'll give way to your superior knowledge of waxes, polymers and acids
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"There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid answers" - Anon

You obviously have far more experience than i do, so I'll give way to your superior knowledge of waxes, polymers and acids
I don't know the extent of your knowledge. I am not trying to challenge it, as I said I value your input.
I am pointing out basic errors in your theory about acids.
I don't profess to know everything and I don't know anyone who does.

I do know what I am talking about when it comes to bird droppings on natural wax and acrylic paint.

This is ment to be a sharing of information, between interested minds. You don't have to agree but you could put it to the test and see for yourself.

As for the comment from the new guy Pepe
At minimum a 6th grade reading comprehension level is necessary to understand what is being said here. Judging by your comment you have not reached that level of reading ability. There is an intellectual gap here that you are ill equiped to cross and It is pointless to try to communicate with you on your level. Goodby.
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What is your guys professional take on "Perma Plate"? Any good? Reasons?
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What is your guys professional take on "Perma Plate"? Any good? Reasons?
I am not familiar with perma plate.
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What is your guys professional take on "Perma Plate"? Any good? Reasons?
Lifetime Paint Protection

Xzilon, Simonize, Perma-Plate, DuPont PTFE™, are a few examples of this type of product.

There is no polymer, synthetic or natural wax, or after-market product available that can provide a five year or lifetime protection to a paint film surface; read the fine print in the contract offered by car dealerships. PPG / Mercedes-Benz invested a lot of money in R&D for their nanotechnology 'CeramiClear' coating that is considered the longest lasting automotive coating to-date, but there is no 'lifetime' warranty given

There is normally a clause that states you should return the vehicle for a "maintenance" application of the product (at 3 or 6 months intervals) failing to do this will void your warranty or the fine print will basically exclude every condition you could claim against

The primary protection provided for a modern water-based colour coat is a polythene paint that has a thickness of (127 - 178 µ) comprise a Primer coat of 2Mils (50 µ) a Colour coat of 1-2Mils (25 -50 µ) and Clear coat 2-3Mils (50 - 75 µ) An applied paint protection product is the entire barrier that provides protection for automotive paintwork besides the clear coat paint and this renewable barrier is probably less than 0.001Mil (0.0254 µm)

While it’s true that a polymer paints melting point is 350oF +, it is still subject to evaporation and erosion by the elements and vehicle washing. However its durability is approximately five or six months.

The technology for a lifetime protection for a vehicles paint film surface does not currently exist. Most dealerships rely on the fact that few customers read the fine print on the contract; it usually states that it must be reapplied every 6 months and every 3 months on darker coloured cars (for which a service charge will apply).

While it will not provide ‘lifetime’ protection Optimum Polymer Technologies Opti-Coat™ has been applied and tested with a real life durability of ~ 3 years. This semi-permanent coating pre- polymer resin cross links and forms a continuous film on the surfaces, it also contains ultra violet (UV) protection.

Its application is similar to that of a single component Isocyanate in that it forms an approx 50-76µ thickness clear coat finish.
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"There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid answers" - Anon

You obviously have far more experience than i do, so I'll give way to your superior knowledge of waxes, polymers and acids
"People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." - Anon

Maybe he does have more knowledge than you, considering you've been caught red-handed plagiarizing the majority of your content:

TOWGT = Bad Buyer

You were banned on other forums for this, a simple search will yield such info.
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Notice that TOWGT 's name is on this list also.



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> Please notice Ron Ketcham has his name on that
> list, but where is mine? It is not there.
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That's because you are a pathetic excuse for someone who considers themselves a "Detailer" and you are not welcome back to Autopia. Stop dreaming, cause it ain't gonna happen. Autopia let everyone else in, except you! That speaks volumes for how worthless your opinion matters.

Does that answer your question Mr. "Buffer" Bill Daley?

I can hear the crying, clear from Florida!
His feelings are hurt.
Well, wah, wah, wah!! sob, sob, sob!!!!

He's mad that Autopia let all the good guys back and he's feeling left out.

[www.youtube.com]

LMAO!!!
Well, I did wonder how the Hack dressed and what he sounded like!
Now we know, Imagination, his own world of imagination.
That's super!!!

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> detailer Wrote:
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> > Please notice Ron Ketcham has his name on that
> > list, but where is mine? It is not there.
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> That's because you are a pathetic excuse for
> someone who considers themselves a "Detailer" and
> you are not welcome back to Autopia. Stop
> dreaming, cause it ain't gonna happen. Autopia let
> everyone else in, except you! That speaks volumes
> for how worthless your opinion matters.
>
> Does that answer your question Mr. "Buffer" Bill
> Daley?

What others think of your forum:
As for autopia.org, I don't consider them a credible source of information as they are known for:
1. Banning members who don't agree with their conclusions
2. Spreading bias and misleading information.
3. A history of infecting computers with malware and spyware.

I value your input but I don't waste my time on autopia anymore. I would never recommend it to anyone I was honestly trying to help.


David

As I remember YOU asked me to come on your forum. I had zero interest to come on it, nor did I make any attempt to join, SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT? You and your idol can say what you want, but you two are looking like upset children
by these silly remarks.

Clearly, you cannot defend any point you make, so insults are all you have. You both are showing this forum that you are nothing but control freaks who cannot get their way.



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> As I remember YOU asked me to come on your forum.
> I had zero interest to come on it, nor did I make
> any attempt to join,
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Bill - you've been a member of Autopia since May 2011. Long before I ever invited you to come there. Stop blaming me for your stupidity.

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> > As I remember YOU asked me to come on your
> forum.
> > I had zero interest to come on it, nor did I
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> > any attempt to join,
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> Bill - you've been a member of Autopia since May
> 2011. Long before I ever invited you to come
> there. Stop blaming me for your stupidity.


David
Why have I never posted once on your forum until you asked me to come on? Wonder Why? Run my name on the forum and see if anything comes up.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2012 03:22AM by detailer.

Why even join a forum and not post? Just so you can stalk people and get your kicks?

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> Why even join a forum and not post? Just so you
> can stalk people and get your kicks?

I saw you and Todd were moderators

Who the hell is Todd? There is no moderators on Autopia with that name. Go away and stalk someone else.

Who asked you to come on this forum? Not me

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> Who asked you to come on this forum? Not me

My answer:
Who asked you to come on this forum? Not me