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Waxing
Posted by Jay Johnson
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Waxing September 18, 2003 11:41PM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 13 |
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Re: Waxing September 19, 2003 12:58AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 42 |
<HTML>Check out Rain Dance Premium.
I hear it's decent. I dont know if it turns white however. I'm trying to find that out right now.
It's about $8 for a 14oz can of paste.
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I've heard of alot of people using Mothers Pure Carnauba Wax. It's just as good as the Rain Dance but again I dont know if it will turn white on rubber.
Mothers is about $10 for 16oz.
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I hear it's decent. I dont know if it turns white however. I'm trying to find that out right now.
It's about $8 for a 14oz can of paste.
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I've heard of alot of people using Mothers Pure Carnauba Wax. It's just as good as the Rain Dance but again I dont know if it will turn white on rubber.
Mothers is about $10 for 16oz.
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Re: Waxing September 19, 2003 01:41AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 137 |
<HTML>I will probably catch hell for this but if you are looking for a one step cleaner wax, their all just about the same. From the $2 dollar a bottle to the $20 a bottle. As far as removal, I have noticed the Mothers cleaner wax comes off hard. If it's just wax you want, buy carnuba.
Now, if you are looking for easy application, buy yourself an orbital buffer, (30 bucks) one that you can hold onto with one hand. Mine is 6" diameter. One this small allows you to get into the dips and dives of the panels of a car. You should be able to apply any wax in about ten minutes for the average car.
As far as removal, well........you can use different pads on the buffer to work the wax off, but all the waxes come with their share of work. Except of course those spray on waxes you immediatly wipe off with towel. I'm not too famililar with these, but I can't see where they give much protection for any extended period.
My opinion only.
jer</HTML>
Now, if you are looking for easy application, buy yourself an orbital buffer, (30 bucks) one that you can hold onto with one hand. Mine is 6" diameter. One this small allows you to get into the dips and dives of the panels of a car. You should be able to apply any wax in about ten minutes for the average car.
As far as removal, well........you can use different pads on the buffer to work the wax off, but all the waxes come with their share of work. Except of course those spray on waxes you immediatly wipe off with towel. I'm not too famililar with these, but I can't see where they give much protection for any extended period.
My opinion only.
jer</HTML>
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Re: Waxing September 19, 2003 01:46AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 751 |
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Re: Waxing September 19, 2003 01:49AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 751 |
<HTML>Jerry, your right, Malco make a product called Aqua Gloss, one of those you spray on while the vehicle is wet and wipe the vehicle dry with a terry cloth. The Maclo rep himself told me it would last a couple of days. But it does not leave any white residue on plastic trim or rubber etc.
Jim.</HTML>
Jim.</HTML>
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Re: Waxing September 19, 2003 03:06AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 3,550 |
<HTML>Off the shelf products, in most cases are "junk" products, containing mainly filler to "fill" the bottle. That is what the white is all about. It is filler that dries and then blows away like dust when you wipe it off.
Rain Dance is about as poor a product as you can buy.
If you want an easy on and easy off quality product you need to use a paint sealant. If you cannot find something like this in a local store then you have to contact a detail supplier. Look in the Yellow Pages under "Car Wash & Polishing - Equipment & Supplies here you will find the local chemical distributors who sell detailing products.
If you do not want to pay for a paint sealant which is the best, then go for a can of yellow wax from a detail supplier. There is little or no filler in these products.
Regards
bud abraham</HTML>
buda
Rain Dance is about as poor a product as you can buy.
If you want an easy on and easy off quality product you need to use a paint sealant. If you cannot find something like this in a local store then you have to contact a detail supplier. Look in the Yellow Pages under "Car Wash & Polishing - Equipment & Supplies here you will find the local chemical distributors who sell detailing products.
If you do not want to pay for a paint sealant which is the best, then go for a can of yellow wax from a detail supplier. There is little or no filler in these products.
Regards
bud abraham</HTML>
buda
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Re: Waxing September 19, 2003 05:04AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 42 |
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Bud, everyone,
Just to clear my name, while I agree that Sealants are clearly better than waxes, I simply recommended the Rain Dance Premium because Jay asked for a <I>wax</I> that was easy to apply, easy to remove and is readily available.
Rain Dance Premium lasts, is cheap, you can find it just about everywhere. And for a <i>wax</i> it's easy to apply and take off.
I stick by what I advised how ever I should have included a little snippet about Sealants and prices. My bad.
Sure waxes are full of fillers, but Sealants probably have some too. I mean your not putting 100% silicone onto the paint, there has to be some sort of carrier.
Also, put Liquid Glass, which is a sealant against Rain Dance Premium and I bet Rain Dance wins. Liquid Glass is just a poor sealant while Rain Dance is a decent wax. The same holds true for the commercial world. Some commercial waxes might fair better than commercial sealants just because of the quality of makeup.
Just my opinion.
~Rick
How about an anecdote:
+"My uncle in Detroit tried to make a new kind of car. He took the engine from a Ford, the transmission from an Oldsmobile, the tires from a Cadillac, and the exhaust system from a Plymouth."
<i>+"Really? What did he get?" </i>
+"Fifteen years for theft."</HTML>
Bud, everyone,
Just to clear my name, while I agree that Sealants are clearly better than waxes, I simply recommended the Rain Dance Premium because Jay asked for a <I>wax</I> that was easy to apply, easy to remove and is readily available.
Rain Dance Premium lasts, is cheap, you can find it just about everywhere. And for a <i>wax</i> it's easy to apply and take off.
I stick by what I advised how ever I should have included a little snippet about Sealants and prices. My bad.
Sure waxes are full of fillers, but Sealants probably have some too. I mean your not putting 100% silicone onto the paint, there has to be some sort of carrier.
Also, put Liquid Glass, which is a sealant against Rain Dance Premium and I bet Rain Dance wins. Liquid Glass is just a poor sealant while Rain Dance is a decent wax. The same holds true for the commercial world. Some commercial waxes might fair better than commercial sealants just because of the quality of makeup.
Just my opinion.
~Rick
How about an anecdote:
+"My uncle in Detroit tried to make a new kind of car. He took the engine from a Ford, the transmission from an Oldsmobile, the tires from a Cadillac, and the exhaust system from a Plymouth."
<i>+"Really? What did he get?" </i>
+"Fifteen years for theft."</HTML>
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Re: Waxing September 19, 2003 05:50AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 56 |
<HTML>What Bud said is very true. I use a Cyclo buffer and cutting/polishing/sealing compounds that are a part of the Paint Perfecting system that I purchased from Paint Bull. I use various combinations of pads and compounds to get beautiful results with a sealant that will last for about 6 months, give or take, depending on the owner's habits...whether they hand wash or go to a car wash, keep the car in the garage or outside, etc. I, like bud can't recommend highly enough the machine application of a high quality commercial product.
As for waxes, I've found S-100, Harley-Davidson wax to be absolutely great! It's a yellow carnauba paste wax. It cost $15 for a 16 oz. (I think) can. You can only get it at your local Harley shop. I use it on door jambs and rockers where my buffer won't go. You put it on with the sponge applicator and wipe it off with a microfiber towel before it dries and get a great shine. If it gets on any of the rubber trim, you can easily wipe it off with the towel. Excellent stuff!!! A little goes a long, long way, too.
It's the same wax as P-21S in the same container (white with a blue top) as the S-100, only more expensive. You can get a look at it at P21s.com then go to your Harley shop and get it there.</HTML>
As for waxes, I've found S-100, Harley-Davidson wax to be absolutely great! It's a yellow carnauba paste wax. It cost $15 for a 16 oz. (I think) can. You can only get it at your local Harley shop. I use it on door jambs and rockers where my buffer won't go. You put it on with the sponge applicator and wipe it off with a microfiber towel before it dries and get a great shine. If it gets on any of the rubber trim, you can easily wipe it off with the towel. Excellent stuff!!! A little goes a long, long way, too.
It's the same wax as P-21S in the same container (white with a blue top) as the S-100, only more expensive. You can get a look at it at P21s.com then go to your Harley shop and get it there.</HTML>
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Re: Waxing September 19, 2003 10:19AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 102 |
<HTML>Jay, Bud is absolutely correct when he says a sealant is best (but only after the vehicle has been properly prepped). Though not available in your local Wal-Mart or auto parts store I feel certain you can find one by checking with other local detailers to see what they are using and where they purchase or check with several of the local dealers and see what they use. Rod is correct also with the S-100 as the greatest, easily available carnuba wax. All Harley dealers carry it. Costs $14.95 but seems to last forever. Very easy on and easy off. I use a locally produced sealant that I actually discovered when I noticed several new cars I did obviously had a great sealant on them (Long lasting, great shine,etc). I called the dealer and he led me to his supplier. FYI, When I do a full exterior detail, I use the S-100 over the sealant. Sealant by itself is fine but the S-100 adds an extra POP in my eyes and of course will add to the protection time of the sealant. Also, go to your local art store and buy an eraser, made by Staedtler, (used by artist/architects). Get the one that is "gray" in color and use it to erase any wax you may get on rubber trim etc........Works great and makes cleaning the area quick and simple. Just my thoughts ...... Happy detailing and have a great day!</HTML>
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Re: Waxing September 19, 2003 02:13PM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 3,550 |
<HTML>Rick:
Rain Dance is a cleaner/wax, and not a pure wax, I believe. Typically off the shelf products like Rain Dance and Turtle Wax, etc. are not the same pure wax a detailer uses but a combination of cheap wax; light cleaners and a lot of fillers.
You make a statement I have to correct, "Sure waxes are full of fillers..."
A true wax does not have fillers, that is why I suggest his using a wax. Again, you cannot call Rain Dance a wax. I think many of these products are called polishes.
Someone else said Liquid Glass is a bad sealant. It is not too bad as sealants go, it is just not worth the price they are charging. That is what chemicals all boil down to is price. You can only put so much technology into a can of wax or bottle of sealant. All companies use the same ingredients, more or less.
Regards
Bud Abraham</HTML>
buda
Rain Dance is a cleaner/wax, and not a pure wax, I believe. Typically off the shelf products like Rain Dance and Turtle Wax, etc. are not the same pure wax a detailer uses but a combination of cheap wax; light cleaners and a lot of fillers.
You make a statement I have to correct, "Sure waxes are full of fillers..."
A true wax does not have fillers, that is why I suggest his using a wax. Again, you cannot call Rain Dance a wax. I think many of these products are called polishes.
Someone else said Liquid Glass is a bad sealant. It is not too bad as sealants go, it is just not worth the price they are charging. That is what chemicals all boil down to is price. You can only put so much technology into a can of wax or bottle of sealant. All companies use the same ingredients, more or less.
Regards
Bud Abraham</HTML>
buda
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Re: Waxing September 19, 2003 11:40PM |
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Re: Waxing September 20, 2003 02:08AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 634 |
<HTML>Bud is totally right. I have neverseen the average over the counter stuff sompare to quality professionall products. In most cases this is alwys true in my opinion.
The staining ability on trim is normal in most consumer grade products because of the cheapness and fillers added to them. The average crap sold in stores is NOT a real wax anyway, like Bud says its a "cleaner wax" and is LOW in quality.
Ther are though a few items that you can get at some stores that are professional quality AND easily available. Any of these I will mention are straight waxes with NO cheap fillers or cleaners at all. They MIGHT leave a slight residue if not removed from the trim but its EXTREMELY nominal and not an issue with most detailers using these high grade products.
I really like One Grand"s Blitz Wax. Its a carnauba paste wax and wipes on and off as easily as any ive ever tried. The "wet look" is as good as any other product and better than almost all of them. Its my all time favorite carnauba by far. Im a Blitz fanatic!
Another good carnauba is Mothers. Its a paste like Blitz and the finish feeling is slick like silk but a little harder to remove than Blitz.
The other popular carnauba that alot of guys love is P21S. The other line made by the same people is called S100. These are the same products but labeled as two different brands and the S100 is sold at all Harley Davidson dealerships for much less $$$ than the P21s available online everywhere. Its a carnauba/beeswax type of paste wax that is SUPER easy to apply and remove. I know some professionals use this as there main wax regardless of tis price. Of all the waxes Ive mentioned the S100 wont stain your trim at all. Its a carnauba wax lovers dream.
If you are a weekend warrior who wants to protect your "garage queen' than the products I mentioned here wont be too expensive. If your a proffesional detailer your better solution would be to use a bulk product made for this purpose.
Oh and you probably wont find the Blitz in a local store but just do a simple google search for One Grand Blitz Wax and many reputable stores online sell it.
www.properautocare.com
www.premiumsutocare.com
www.topoftheline.com
All these places sell it. Go try it and you will like it!
Best regards,
John</HTML>
The staining ability on trim is normal in most consumer grade products because of the cheapness and fillers added to them. The average crap sold in stores is NOT a real wax anyway, like Bud says its a "cleaner wax" and is LOW in quality.
Ther are though a few items that you can get at some stores that are professional quality AND easily available. Any of these I will mention are straight waxes with NO cheap fillers or cleaners at all. They MIGHT leave a slight residue if not removed from the trim but its EXTREMELY nominal and not an issue with most detailers using these high grade products.
I really like One Grand"s Blitz Wax. Its a carnauba paste wax and wipes on and off as easily as any ive ever tried. The "wet look" is as good as any other product and better than almost all of them. Its my all time favorite carnauba by far. Im a Blitz fanatic!
Another good carnauba is Mothers. Its a paste like Blitz and the finish feeling is slick like silk but a little harder to remove than Blitz.
The other popular carnauba that alot of guys love is P21S. The other line made by the same people is called S100. These are the same products but labeled as two different brands and the S100 is sold at all Harley Davidson dealerships for much less $$$ than the P21s available online everywhere. Its a carnauba/beeswax type of paste wax that is SUPER easy to apply and remove. I know some professionals use this as there main wax regardless of tis price. Of all the waxes Ive mentioned the S100 wont stain your trim at all. Its a carnauba wax lovers dream.
If you are a weekend warrior who wants to protect your "garage queen' than the products I mentioned here wont be too expensive. If your a proffesional detailer your better solution would be to use a bulk product made for this purpose.
Oh and you probably wont find the Blitz in a local store but just do a simple google search for One Grand Blitz Wax and many reputable stores online sell it.
www.properautocare.com
www.premiumsutocare.com
www.topoftheline.com
All these places sell it. Go try it and you will like it!
Best regards,
John</HTML>
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Re: Waxing September 23, 2003 10:09PM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 4 |
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Re: teflon September 25, 2003 07:50PM |
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Re: teflon September 25, 2003 07:52PM |
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Re: teflon September 25, 2003 10:59PM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 3,550 |
<HTML>Yes, Teflon does nothing to enhance the durability or shine of a paint sealant product. This is documented by a person from DuPont's automotive division.
That said, there are protection products that do have Teflon in them, all it may do is make the product more workable since Teflon is a lubricant.
There are two types of Teflon, as I understand it, the type that is used in pots and pans and has to be heated to melt and bond to the metal of the pan/pot.
There is another Teflon that is a liquid that is used in the computer industry and this is what is put in wax/sealant products.
S0 the myth about having to be heated to 600 degrees, is just that, a MYTH. They do not use that type of Teflon in paint sealants.
Regards
Bud Abraham</HTML>
buda
That said, there are protection products that do have Teflon in them, all it may do is make the product more workable since Teflon is a lubricant.
There are two types of Teflon, as I understand it, the type that is used in pots and pans and has to be heated to melt and bond to the metal of the pan/pot.
There is another Teflon that is a liquid that is used in the computer industry and this is what is put in wax/sealant products.
S0 the myth about having to be heated to 600 degrees, is just that, a MYTH. They do not use that type of Teflon in paint sealants.
Regards
Bud Abraham</HTML>
buda
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Re: teflon September 25, 2003 11:55PM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 894 |
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