One more case showing what using wax leads to

Here is a perfect reason why not to use wax on a new car. Notice this statement from this detailer:the picture below shows the paint beading the water heavily, meaning there is some sort of wax, sealant, glaze, quick detailer, etc. on the paint.

This car has under 300 miles, and check out all the pictures before he even started polishing. The detailer states it was caused from heavy compound used to remove the water spots, but that is pure speculation. He later states:the picture below shows how the water is beading heavily on the side that was washed with regular cars soap (left) and how the water is sheeting off the side that has been degreased (right). The water sheeting is a pretty good indication that the paint is completely bare. How does he know that for a fact? He states that these products are very hard to remove, so maybe what he is seeing is a remaining amount that will not come off without polishing


Look, something has to be done here to solve this problem, and polishing seems to be the only answer now. Although,
this all could have been avoided if what was applied, had not in the first place. The water spots could not have been that
bad , and using a simple claybar would have been the answer in the first place.


Is the correction detailer at fault here? Absolutely not. The customer has a problem that needs to be corrected, and I am sure it required alot of work. The dealership caused the problem, and should pay for it.


Although what should be noted is this. I am sure this is not the first time this happened, nor will it be the last. The customer educated himself as noted by the detailer:He stated that he had done lots of homework, researching what products to use and the correct way to wash and care for the car. He just couldn’t understand why he was experiencing these problems, since there was only 250 miles on the car and he had only washed it twice. What it all comes down to is this: Wax your car,
and this is what you will be looking at down the road.

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Pro-Skeptic

Care to comment on this post.

Wax had ZERO to do with the condition of this car's finish. PERIOD!!!

This is a blatant attempt by the dealer to incorrectly remove something from the paint on this new car and/or their detailer that polished the paint for delivery is an inexperienced hack like you. Pretty obvious to me.

You obviously don't know that claying a car is an abrasive action and causes micromarring of the finish and requires correction. If you don't think this is accurate you're even more of a hack.

This is probably how your leg humping friend moonlight's car would look if he checked it out under halogen lights.

Bill's: when's the last time you looked at one of your client's car's under halogen lights?? The next time you make a video try filming this as it will show exactly how the paint looks before you slather your miracle teflon sealant over it to rejuvinate the paint. If you need pointers on how to do this let me know.

The main problem was water spots the customer complained about. I will assume like you do that wax was applied at the dealership. The detailer states this: He mentioned that when he took delivery of the car from the dealership, there was some water-spotting on the top surfaces. The car was washed at the dealership prior to delivery, and water spots were not wiped
off and dried. Was this caused by the wax? YES. Why is that, very simple , the washing was not done the proper way which
was the reason the dealership did the improper polishing. This is why cult members such as yourself cannot put two and two
together to figure out what caused the problem in the first place.


You obviously don't know that claying a car is an abrasive action and causes micromarring of the finish and requires correction. If you don't think this is accurate you're even more of a hack.

Really , I do not have a clue what the hell you mean here? So you think throwing a wheel on it was a better solution?
Claying the car first would have more than likely removed the spots, and avoided the whole problem completely.


Bill's: when's the last time you looked at one of your client's car's under halogen lights??

Pro-Skeptic you really just do not get it . 99% of the people out there are not really concerned with what you could see under a halogen light. They are not obsessed like you to remove ever little flaw in their paint. Sure they want it to shine,
but protection is far more important to people who do not take their cars to car shows.

If that is who your clients are, than great. I feel protecting the clear is far more important than constant polishing that wears
down the clear over time. If people keep their cars on average nine years, than my method makes far more sense to the 99% than yours does.

This is probably how your leg humping friend moonlight's car would look if he checked it out under halogen lights

Do you make it a practice to insult everyone who does not agree with what you say? It is really rude.

I love how you consider yourself a savior of clear coat when the only thing you believe in doing is slattering on a hard to apply Teflon sealant over a pre-swirled finish and think you're protecting a car. If you properly wash a car in the 1st place the only correction that may periodically be needed will be light polishing. I would estimate that this polishing process could safely be done several dozen times(or even more) without any chance for jeapordizing the integrity of the clearcoat. I've never witnessed any reduction in film build when measuring the cars I maintain.

And yes, when you clay your car you will marr the finish. I chose to correct this issue prior to sealing it where you go right to covering it. I obviously care a lot more about the way my client's vehicles look then you and your videos prove it sadly.

This message is for you, Pro-techt. I read your post to Billd55 and I understand that you think that you can acheive a perfect flawless finish on any car in the world that is driven everyday and out in the elements everday. But according to my Bible, there is non perfect but JESUS CHRIST. And that's only if you are a believer. Anyway the paint job on my car does shine like new money and is flawless to me and I've been cleaning and detailing my own cars for 30+ years The water spots that I was referring to were only a few spots under the tail fin on my Charger It is not the entire car and the spots on the windows were on the back window and I easily removed them with steel wool and distilled vinegar. I do use wax on my cars Meguiar's and it work great but thats my choice there are 100's of differant waxes and sealants out there to choose from and who's to say what's the best you have your way Bill has his way and everybody else has their own way. So sense I only got on this forum to chat with professional detailers about detailing issues and not school kids arguing over who's right and who's wrong and a lot of name calling if I wanted to here this from someone I could have just went to the local car wash on the weekend for advice. A true professional always stays open minded to new ideas to enhance their own knowledge. Because I have learned over my lifetime that no matter how much you think you know about something there're always room for improvement. So with that said Pro-Techt you need to be more open minded and courteous to your follow professional detailers instead of using ugly comments and name calling that's not what this forum is about.

I used to think like that but Bill insulted me... called me dishonest and inferior in my work. I'm not losing sleep but I gave Bill loads of scope to put forward his theory about his sealant and after months and months he still makes no sense to anyone. You are big believer in the Bible, so you are patient and tolerant. But suppose day after day a neighbour kept telling you that it is wrong and his book of words is the real truth. What then?

Beliefs are like penises. Its okay to have one. Its even okay to brag about it. But don't wave it around in public and if you try to shove it down people's throats or you are going to get slammed. And Bill has been trying to shove it down throats here for ages and keeps wondering why people don't believe him.

There are differences between beliefs, convictions and fanaticisms. Stick around the forum a bit more and you will see who is what.

AGAIN! ! !

STEEL WOOL ON TODAYS WINDOWS IS STUPID ! ! ! !

and yes I'm yelling can you hear me now?

Moonlight

You are right, and I appreciate your statement. Hopefully you will try the At-5 I sent you, and you can judge for yourself that what
I say is true. Not one person here has EVERY even bothered to make an attempt verify one thing I have said here. They have
asked a million distrusting questions to discredit me, and I have always been very nice in my responses.


See when people make a statement like this: But suppose day after day a neighbour kept telling you that it is wrong and his book of words is the real truth. What then? Maybe , they should start to question if there neighbor may have a point. See what makes me different from the others here is I do not have blinders on where I can only see one direction. I do not have a pack mentality where because everybody does it one way there can be no other way.


If I were secure in what I do for a profession it would not bother me if someone told me there might be something better out
there. I would not attack that person with insults and constantly question what they say. If they do not want hear what I am
saying they can choose not to open my posts or respond to them, That is what I would do.


Although, they assume I am cramming it down their throats. This a open forum, and just because a certain group of individuals think a certain way does not give them the right to kill what I say because it does not agree with what they think is right.

Well Coustom Detail it seem to me the only thing STUPID here is your opinion because even the pros. at Meguiar's said very fine steel wool can be used to break down the hard water and calcium deposit on glass and I think they have more experience than you and I so before you call an idea that someone else has STUPID try it you might be shock how something so simple as using a $2 ball of fine steel wool and dollar gallon of vinegar can save you a lot of time and money. You see I'm from the country and I've learned you dont always have to be a pro or a genius to do something and do it right. I once was a professional painter for quite sometime and we always used either steel wool or a razor blade to clean window if there was any over spray on them so with that said dont knock other people's ways of doing things or call it STUPID just because you dont like or agree with it. I'm going to pray for you and Pro-techt that God will you two patience and understanding and to be more considerate of others. P.S. May God bless everyone on this forum and their families and from me and my family Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Peace!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/18/2011 02:46AM by moonlight46.

Moonlight:

What you don't know is Custom has been at this for over 30 years doing thousands of vehicles and back in the old days steel wool was fine but the composition of glass today is different and steel wool will and can scratch glass very badly if you don't know what you are doing... So it is not that we think we know it all or we are inflexible we have EXPERIENCE..we know house glass and automotive glass are very different. We adapt to new techniques and products... but our first goal to provide superior safe service utilizing the best products and technology. .many of the forums you are talking about have very little real world experience 5 cars a week what about people doing 20 to 30 cars a day resolving every imaginable problem.

You really believe we are that stupid and arrogant you would prefer to take advise from?

Gina

I have tried to have some respect for you,but this statement really makes me think you have a very severe ego complex.
Why not explain to Moonlight your experience level. How many cars have you personally detailed in the last week?
Recently, you asked me to explain my experience level so you could all see I am not just a one trick pony, so why not
explain to Moonlight why he should listen to anything you have to say.


ITen years ago, when Budhai was
between jobs, she came to work for her
father’s Arlington, VA-based business,
Car Cleaning and Restoration Specialists.

It sounds like your dad gave you a job.


Budhai said this helps her to diagnose
and evaluate each detailing job (she personally
inspects every car that comes
through the door), as well as assists her
in breaking down and explaining the
procedure to her client.


A true professional
Budhai’s expertise is even used at the
neighboring Car Pool carwash, where
she is often called upon to deal with customer
complaints.
“I’m usually there to serve as a liaison


Explaining something and doing something are two different things.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/18/2011 04:45AM by billd55.

I never said anyone was stupid Custom made those comment I detail my cars and mine only Im only a pro in my own eyes on my own cars so what I do to get the job done is alright with me no one else my like it but that their ploblem but it doesn't give anyone the right to call it STUPID. A lot of you on this forum have some good advice and some of you have some serious issues. There's a right and a wrong way to correct someone we are grown men and we shoud respect each other as men and professional that's what this forum is all about right?

billd55 Wrote:
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> > Recently, you asked me to explain my experience
> level so you could all see I am not just a one
> trick pony,


But, how would anyone think otherwise when the only thing you can offer is Wash N Seals? Makes no difference if you're fooling people that own Hyundai's, Lexus or Boeings. Hacking is hacking.....

But, how would anyone think otherwise when the only thing you can offer is Wash N Seals? Makes no difference if you're fooling people that own Hyundai's, Lexus or Boeings. Hacking is hacking.....


NUT JOB!