He's right, your stuck like Chuck. And they can be hard to come by at times.by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
What condition are the tail light lenses in? Most are cracked all to hell. I need some that are not. AT ALL!by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
It came together in 69, and got even better in 70.by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Good luck. As I am sure you already know there were only 108 convertiable Judges built in 69. So they are few and far between. I saw one for sale in Florida about 3 years back and they wanted $65,000 for it. And I am sure they got it. I actually knew a guy that found a black 70 convertiable judge that was a baskit case, he sold it in Michigan to a guy for $50,000. No lie. The guy was wealthy, colby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
I agree whole heartedly. I am a big fan of the 70 Judge. But if it is a GTO, no matter what the year, it will be the coolest car you have ever owned. No matter what anyone elses opinion is. So go find you a goat, and have a great time with it!by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
I myself have never realy cared to much about number matching. But that is me. I have a 70 Judge that I am working on, and it to had a bastard engine in it when I bought it. The tranny and rearend are originall, but that is it. When done it is going to have a 71 455HO in it. And of course to the untrained eye (95% of the people that will see it) it will look factory fresh under the hood. Plus itby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Very true. Actually the only real, documented 70 Judge convertable I have ever seen was ordered specificly with a bench seat. I am not sure why the guy would want it that way. But I have seen the paperwork on the car, and it is indeed authentic. So to answer your originall question, yes there were bench seat, on the colum cars produced.by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Yes but the 70 was the Humbler. SO be humbeled by its greatness! :~) Just kidding. I like all of them from 70 and earlier. Some more than others. But I think we would all agree that the year we fell in love with, or own, is the best there ever was. To me, as long as it is a real GTO, and not a clone, it is a cool car. No matter what the year.by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Well luckily my 70 GTO was sold here in Oklahoma new, so there is no smog emissions on the car. So it is not much, if any different that a 69 in that respect. I like both years, I just happen to like to 70 Judge just a little more. Perhaps that is because I have one. One may never know. But for me I think the last good looking year for the GTO is 70. After that I don't much care for the direby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Why would you say that it died in 69?by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Briefly in 68 there was a chrome bumper for the gto. Other than that I am pretty sure they were all endura bumpers through 72. I am not to sure about the 73 or 74, as I am not much into those models. I believe all of the lemans and tempest models had chrome bumpers. But the front clip was not exactly the same on most years that used the endura bumper. There was no option to change the endura to cby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Nice looking car, but I have a question. What makes it a rare GTO? Is there some type of option package or something that makes it a "rare" car? I am just curious.by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
I am a big fan of the 70. I think the body lines, and the nose make the car a sexy machine. I like the 69 as well, but not as well as the 70. As for the 68, I am not in love with that car. In my oppinion it is a 69 without the refinements. If you plan on spending arround the $10,000 mark, you should be able to get a pretty good project. At least one that is complete and intact. For that kind of mby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
The only thing that only knowing the vin number will do is tell you where it was built, what model of car it is, and if it is a hard top or convertable. Which can definatly be helpfull if you are planning a purchase, and you would like to know if the car is an authentic GTO. But if you want to know other options, such as the Judge option, ram air, etc...... the only way to find that out is to ordby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Pontiac Historic services has been the best place to document a GTO for quite a while now. But what is it you are wanting to check. All they will give you is a copy of the original manifest on the car. Which will tell you all of the options the car had, the price it sold for, the color of the car and interior, and the dealership it was sent to. What else could you want to know?by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Blah, blah, blah. I for one am not interested in investing a ton of cash in a restoration, just to stick a Chevy engine in my car. To each his own. But to say that a 454 will smoke any Pontiac 455 is not entirely acurate. Ask Jim Butler. He has some bad ass 455 running GTO's. And I assure you they will contend with any car. No matter what they are running. I have a buddy that has a 70 Judgeby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
I was thinking the same thing, but didn't want to say anything.by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Actually a real GTO buff will simply take a quick look at the vin tag on the car, and you will be busted. I know I could tell, as well as most of my GTO lover friends. Clones........... dont like em' don't see a need for em'. All they do is take good, needed parts from guys who need them for the real thing.by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Well it might, but why would you want to put it in there? Keeping in mind all of the emision BS that goes on the newer engines, plus the fact that it is a Chevy engine would stear me away from it. For what you will pay for that engine, you could have one hell of a 455 for the goat. And it would look factory stock. Some don't know, but a 400 and a 455 pontiac motor block wise are the same exaby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
You could also always buy one from Jim Butler Performance. But now you are talking some very high performance, at a very high price. But he does nice work. www.jbp-pontiac.comby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
So who here saw the "concept" GTO that poped up a few years back. Now that is closer to what I would have exspected. Not a lame thing like this one is. I am still not happy at all with it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at the old ones, to know that a run of the mill grocery getter is not what the GTO name is all about. Oh well. I will not be buying one, thats for sure!by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Oh and in case you didn't already know. The 66 and 67 are pretty much the same car, with a few minor differences. Actually the 66 was the highest production year for the GTO. Nice car for sure. Plus if the car is in decent restorable condition, and complete, that price is very reasonable. Good luck!by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
66, the year the car was built. I.E. 1966 400, the size of the engine.by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
You will have to change the whole front clip. And a nice 70 GTO front clip is not easy to come by these days. The nose, hood, and fenders are all different. I think the door panels are not the same as well. You will have to add the Ram Air, which is exspensive. You will have to add the rear spoiler, and modify the deck lid to hold it up. As it is it will not. That is the bulk of the body stuff. Bby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
I think it is BS, PR crap. It is a ploy to sell a few more cars. And I for one am not even impressed with the car. It is a joke, and gives the wonderfull GTO a bad name. I think it is a shame to discontinue the Trans Am. Which with the WS6 Ram Air package was one cool looking car. Just to bring out a car and call it a GTO, and have it look like every other new plastic grocery getter. Not impresedby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Well to a collector, or person into original cars it wouldn't be worth a lot of money. In its present condition, from your description, it is more of a race car project. For one having a Chevy drive train in the car takes quite a bit from it being a collectors dream. From what I read not one component of the drive line is Pontiac. Which for its value as a classic Pontiac would all have to beby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
If it is not totaly rusted out, and basicly a pile of junk, $400 is not bad at all. I gave $600 for my first GTO in the same "missing parts" condition, and it was a 69. So if it is not totaly wrecked, or thrashed beyond repair. Then I say go for it. But be ready for a long time, on going project. It takes some fortitude to stay with a restoration. Believe me, you will question your saniby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
It was a 67. Here is a link where you can take a good look at it. The 66 and the 67 are VERY similar. Actually they can be easily confused. As they are basicly the same car, with a few differences. If you need to know how to identify the two from one another, I can give you a few easy points to look at to be able to tell. But rest assured, it is a 67. Enjoy!by Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
I think they say its "The great one" because the GTO brought about the birth of the muscle car in the first place with the 64. Thereby setting a trend that would change the auto industry forever in the US. I agree with Mike. "Because a goat will eat anything". Year One even prints that in their parts catalog. I also like "Gas Tires an Oil" All that is needed to maintby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum
Well "numbers matching" actually only means that the entire drive train is the original equipment that came with the car when it was new. Which for me is not that important, as I am not interested in a concours car at all. My Judge will actually have a 71 455 with 71 455 HO round port heads on it. It will be around 500hp, so I dont think I will mind it much. Plus it will look exactly thby Buzzin Brian - Pontiac GTO Forum