Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones?

Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? I found this article on the web,and thought it would save you money when looking for a car wax.[www.carwaxreviews.net] https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,36637#msg-36637 Mon, 05 Oct 2026 14:25:43 +0000 Phorum 5.2.23 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37962#msg-37962 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37962#msg-37962
I did get Micro Finish, Spider and Polish so will try those with the Rotary on Monday or Tuesday. Any tips for using them?

Pity about Zero. Is it as expensive in Australia? Did I read somewhere that your version is different to the US product?]]> Profile Detailer Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Sat, 06 Nov 2010 23:14:09 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37940#msg-37940 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37940#msg-37940
In the meantime I have Zero ordered as it sounds interesting as a pre-cursor to polishing. Can I drop you a PM when I receive it as you have a lot of experience using it? I work mainly on German cars - BMW really - so if it makes the hard paint easier to polish, great!

Detailer to the stars? Have you buffed Kylie? ;)]]> Profile Detailer Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Wed, 03 Nov 2010 18:37:48 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37932#msg-37932 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37932#msg-37932
Hey its a global market today and once all is protected, I'm happy to get you on board as a user of some of our systems

The current deep impact line has a few revolutionary products but what we want to do in two years or less time is blow the world away with some even better one of a kind products.]]> svr73 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:56:05 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37929#msg-37929 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37929#msg-37929
Pity you are in Australia - I would have tried your new system! I might get a bottle of Zero in the meantime.

If you ever feel like sharing your other uses of Zero, send me a message! : )]]> Profile Detailer Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 02 Nov 2010 15:35:24 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37907#msg-37907 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37907#msg-37907
I might just give these resurface products a whirl. It cant hurt
Zero I use before and after sanding and prior to machine corrective polishing and afterwards.

Also use it in many different ways and reasons that I won't share at this time
However I am currently six weeks away from developing my own system which will be superior to zero and have more uses

Zero is great on anything and yes it will make paint twice as responsive to corrective polishing
the product though is not as good as it should be and is not the be all and end all of my paint decontamination and treatment processes]]> svr73 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Sat, 30 Oct 2010 01:56:16 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37896#msg-37896 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37896#msg-37896
How does Zero fit in with your polishing process, SVR. Is it any good on German paint? BMW's are ridiculous with orange peel these days. If you use Zero as a pre-cursor to Menzerna, for example, does it make a huge difference... or any difference at all?]]> Profile Detailer Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:53:58 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37892#msg-37892 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37892#msg-37892 Sounds like a cop out of Glare

Glare though if they dont get their ass in gear and make something with scratch resistance (beyond that of Zero), will get left behind
Scratch resistance will be a key element in the products of the next five years

Have none and you wont get anywhere as a company

The Glare range has some products that I hate with a passion
Spider, Rapid Action and their liquid clay.]]> svr73 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Thu, 28 Oct 2010 04:49:31 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37891#msg-37891 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37891#msg-37891 www.restructuremarine.com]

From what I hear their chemists have a very good pedigree, coming originally from a company that you like and use a lot.]]> Profile Detailer Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:19:47 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37881#msg-37881 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37881#msg-37881
You are right on target. If Glare or your products do what you say, then that's fine with me if they protect and produce an awesome shine.

Clearly, that is what we all want, and will pay for if it is affordable.
Many people sell their vehicles because they look bad. If you show them a way
to maintain that new look , they are hooked.

It has worked for me, and know one else is marketing this concept I know about.]]> billd55 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Wed, 27 Oct 2010 00:41:30 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37880#msg-37880 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37880#msg-37880 Wax is old school and has no place in my shop

Why put wax on a finish whether boat or car, truck etc when all it does it sit on the surface, absorb water and allow stuff to stick to it
All of them have a low melting point too

Put something on the finish that becomes part of the finish and then adds microns of some kind of hard protection :ie - glass and that magnifies the lustre by thickening it up with this glass.

This is what both glare and my system does. though mine has other ingredients that glare does not and is twice as thick as theirs]]> svr73 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:48:19 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37879#msg-37879 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37879#msg-37879
We may disagree on certain things,but not with that statement. Well
said!]]> billd55 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:34:34 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37878#msg-37878 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37878#msg-37878 Custom Detail Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:00:57 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37876#msg-37876 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37876#msg-37876
The questions I ask is what makes them an expert? Where have they had training? or rather when is the last time any of them has ever attended continued education in any area of this industry...? What body of authority is credentializing them? What akes them and expert? I bet most can't tell you... Some do not even detail or if they do it is once, some only detail once in awhile some only detail luxury vehicles in great shape.. some teach theory but have relatively little day to day experience out there doing thousands of vehicles per year facing thousands of different problems and speaking to thousands of customers...

It does not mean I do not respect their opinion... but it also means that perhaps they do not know as much as we give them credit for.]]> concoursgarage Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:02:25 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37871#msg-37871 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37871#msg-37871 When I started detailing there was no internet or no formal training.

I had to learn my skills by trial and error. For example, no one taught me how to
detail yachts, but I have done hundreds of them. Once I learned what my clients
wanted, I did it faster and better than other detailers.The way the experts
tell you to do yachts are ass backwards.Using compound to restore shine, wax followed by boat soap with wax for washing only leads to dulling and gel coat
damage if it is in salt water.

I really wish you would learn how to read. I have used extractors and I said
they are ok, but what do they do. They heat water, that spray a solution,
and suck it out. I can spray my chemicals on with a spray bottle, apply the
amount of water I need by myself, and extract the solution out with a wet vac.

Since I do alot of mobile detailing. I really do not want to carry around a bulky
machine that I have to store and maintain.I keep my costs down so I can charge
a price that makes me money and gives value to my clients.

I am on forums all the time,and so far I have seen nothing that is new as far as I'm concerned.]]> billd55 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:27:17 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37868#msg-37868 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37868#msg-37868
Please excuse me for any harsh and rude statements that were made about your character, totally not meant to be that way. (lol)

Do not avoid my question: "have you ever had any formal training in the fine art of auto detailing?" Where do you gain your ongoing training to keep up on new technnologies or as you say, you keep doing the same thing you have always done, like from 1993 and not using an extractor. That is 1940"s detailing, splash on some soapy water and scrub and use a shop vacuum.

Hummmmm]]> expertdetailer Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:22:05 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37865#msg-37865 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37865#msg-37865 the paint to scratch.You are right, but I have NEVER said that!

What I have said all along is that wax traps things into it that cause dulling.
The dust, bugs, road grime, tree sap, well water, and million other things
contribute to dulling, but in no way cause any scratching,

What causes the swirl marks and scratches is the harsh washing and elements that causes wax to breakdown. Once again, get your facts right or shut up, please!

It really surprises me how big some peoples egos are,but I guess someone who goes by expertdetailer knows everything.Look, just because something is expensive does not mean it is better. I do not see the reason to spend 2 to 3 thousand
on a glorified bulky wet vac that heats water.

In true sincerity, where did you get your formal training. If you are using wax
then I do not consider that the lastest technology, do you? Last time I checked,
it has been around for many years, and nothing is new about it that I have seen.

I am here to bring attention to a sealant that has the shine of wax, and one year
of protection. Many have never heard of this product, but you and many here
act as if I am wasting your time, so I ask you this: do you really care about the
lastest technologies, or is that BS.

You have posted nothing here but rude comments, and your opinions that have NO
merit to detailing.You appear out of no where making statements about me and what
I have said.Once again I ask what makes you a expert. Dazzle us with your vast
knowledge and experience.]]> billd55 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:46:29 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37863#msg-37863 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37863#msg-37863
Being farely new here to the forum I know I haven't read all the posts to this subject but, the whole topic got me thinking a bit. And, believe me, that's difficult to do without a few asprin to help with the pain :-)

I'm wondering if what Bill is saying does have some merit? I'd have to do some experimenting to verify, but it's worth thinking about. The first thing that comes to my mind is, if you were to take a candle and heat it up to a point where it's not liquid, but yet soft, then sprinkle small particles of dust/dirt on it, let it harden again and then try to wipe it off with a cloth. What would happen? I would have to believe some of the particles would be "trapped" in the wax and would require additional effort/force with the rag to remove it. Causing the particles to go a little deeper into the wax. Wouldn't this basically be the same scenerio as if the wax was on the surface of a car?

This would make for a good experiment to see what happens. When I get a chance, I'll see about trying it out on a freshly polished painted surface. This topic has me curious?????]]> midnight1700 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:56:18 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37860#msg-37860 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37860#msg-37860
OH, so if you cannot afford a needed technology you don't need it?

Bill may I ask in true sincerity where you got your formal detail training and where do you get your on going training so you can keep up on the latest technologies in the business?]]> expertdetailer Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:10:16 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37857#msg-37857 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37857#msg-37857

Quote
buda
Bill

Thanks for the article. You have seen my post on the other question you posted about waxes being obselete.

Chemical companies have always been the master's of marketing and the internet companies selling "boutique" car care products especially compounds, polishes, waxes and sealants are masters.

Even a professional detailer who should know better gets sucked into the hype and believes some of the marketing crap that is on these sites.

Look, chemicals are all about chemistry, basic chemistry. No one chemical company has anymore chemistry than another other than some larger companies can afford to pay for better chemists and can afford to do more R&D. But then the smaller companies wait for the larger companies to come up with something and then they copy it. Many do that with the giant, 3M.

As for wax, there is only so much technology you can put in a can of wax. I am being asked by an overseas customer to purchase for him,from an on-line site a can of paste wax that sells for $49 a can. The same can you can buy from a legitimate detail chemical company for $9.95. I refused and told him I would get 5 or 6 samples of paste wax from my friends in the industry and let him choose which is best.

No carnuaba wax is 100% carnuaba wax. That is a good example of marketing hype,

"Contains 100% carnuaba wax...."

What do most people think? Of course, that the product contains 100% carnuaba wax.

But the real meaning is that the product contains a carnuaba wax that is 100% carnuaba wax.

The most wax you can put in a can of wax is 15% wax. More than that and you could not use the product, it would be too oily to effectively use on a car.

So the key for a detailer is to know what percentage by volume of wax is in the product, be it a can or a quart or a gallon.

And, by the way, synthetic carnuaba (micro-crystilline waxes) are more durable than natural carnuaba.

However, you will be hard pressed to find a detail chemical distributor that knows that much about the product.

Just some well intentioned thoughts.

Bud Abraham

Your pretty much true there.
However 3M are not leaders. they are way behind when it comes to polishes and detailing products in total.

I've tested shitloads of brands and what amazes me is that how come nobody has ever been able to copy and sell the GLARE line of products which is my second favourite since I made my own unique systems

No other system can do what it does.

Swissvax and most of these boutique products are just wank factor and marketing BS
However so many of the bulk industrial brands and their products (you know the big american companies) make absolute rubbish and I'll never buy anyones products again

No one wants to make revolutionary products because they are too busy making money selling the same old bullshit. pads, towels, wax, cleaners, polish etc

So far I've tested 100 brands and 98% of them are crap]]> svr73 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:38:48 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37856#msg-37856 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37856#msg-37856 Expert say what you want this is a open forum]]> Pro Mobile Details Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:32:09 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37854#msg-37854 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37854#msg-37854
First,when did I ever say wax scratches the finish. What I did say was washing
with a strong soap leads to fine scratches.

Also,I suggested soaking the carpet for dirty carpets only, and I never said not to use extractor either. I feel spending thousands for extractor is not worth the
money IMO.

Please stop telling people what I said, and mind your own business.]]> billd55 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 03:30:05 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37853#msg-37853 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37853#msg-37853
You really must have both technologies to truly clean all carpets]]> buda Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:28:27 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37851#msg-37851 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37851#msg-37851 midnight1700 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:08:39 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37850#msg-37850 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37850#msg-37850
Don't get Bill started about waxes vs sealants. He will tell you why waxes scratch the finish of the car.

And that you saturate carpets with water and do not use an extractor to clean them all you need is a $50 shop vacuum

Please]]> expertdetailer Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 00:58:58 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37848#msg-37848 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37848#msg-37848
I put this post up a long time ago. I was trying to show that wax is wax,
and price really has no bearing on quality.

I agree with what you said about wax melting around 85-90 degrees and how long it lasts.AT-5 is a sealant that I use made by Gem Industries that will last protect
one year, and will shine equal to any wax.]]> billd55 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Tue, 26 Oct 2010 00:17:18 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37847#msg-37847 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,37847#msg-37847 midnight1700 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:52:35 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,36855#msg-36855 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,36855#msg-36855
I found #26 had poor durability as did Gold Class.

I found FX did not shine as well as its sister product, California Gold.

My answer is that expensive products like Malms, Griot's and Zaino are superior to cheaper products...and I've tried a lot of them.]]> Doug Delmont Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Sun, 06 Jun 2010 04:05:21 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,36642#msg-36642 Re: Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,36642#msg-36642
Thanks for the article. You have seen my post on the other question you posted about waxes being obselete.

Chemical companies have always been the master's of marketing and the internet companies selling "boutique" car care products especially compounds, polishes, waxes and sealants are masters.

Even a professional detailer who should know better gets sucked into the hype and believes some of the marketing crap that is on these sites.

Look, chemicals are all about chemistry, basic chemistry. No one chemical company has anymore chemistry than another other than some larger companies can afford to pay for better chemists and can afford to do more R&D. But then the smaller companies wait for the larger companies to come up with something and then they copy it. Many do that with the giant, 3M.

As for wax, there is only so much technology you can put in a can of wax. I am being asked by an overseas customer to purchase for him,from an on-line site a can of paste wax that sells for $49 a can. The same can you can buy from a legitimate detail chemical company for $9.95. I refused and told him I would get 5 or 6 samples of paste wax from my friends in the industry and let him choose which is best.

No carnuaba wax is 100% carnuaba wax. That is a good example of marketing hype,

"Contains 100% carnuaba wax...."

What do most people think? Of course, that the product contains 100% carnuaba wax.

But the real meaning is that the product contains a carnuaba wax that is 100% carnuaba wax.

The most wax you can put in a can of wax is 15% wax. More than that and you could not use the product, it would be too oily to effectively use on a car.

So the key for a detailer is to know what percentage by volume of wax is in the product, be it a can or a quart or a gallon.

And, by the way, synthetic carnuaba (micro-crystilline waxes) are more durable than natural carnuaba.

However, you will be hard pressed to find a detail chemical distributor that knows that much about the product.

Just some well intentioned thoughts.

Bud Abraham]]> buda Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:48:59 +0000 https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,36637#msg-36637 Are expensive waxes better than cheaper ones? https://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,36637,36637#msg-36637 for a car wax.[www.carwaxreviews.net]]]> billd55 Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:34:02 +0000