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Extractor with or with out Soap Solution?
Posted by Eric Brandenburg
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Re: Extractor with or with out Soap Solution? June 04, 2004 10:38PM |
<HTML>I agree, either water only or a rinse.
Anything else will leave a film and attract dirt..., at least in my experience
If you add "soap" to the tank, you are rinsing with soap..., Hmmmm???</HTML>
"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
www.waynestowels.com
Anything else will leave a film and attract dirt..., at least in my experience
If you add "soap" to the tank, you are rinsing with soap..., Hmmmm???</HTML>
"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
www.waynestowels.com
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Re: Extractor with or with out Soap Solution? June 05, 2004 12:52AM |
<HTML>Bud,
Lets try this to stop any confusion.
Define "shampoo"
Are you speaking of Pre-spray?
Encapsulation?
Rinse Surfacant?
Etc, etc...,
Name a few "name brands and product names" of product you are speaking of..., just want to clear up any confusion
I only use water in my machine, as per Mytee Extractor instructions and
Steamway recommendations for product use.
Wait a minute..., are you speaking of the "All in one type cleaner" such as purchased at Wal-Mart or Sears that is for use in the "Consumer grade cleaners"..., yes, you are to use those in the machine, however, I know of no professional cleaner that uses shampoo in the water tank...
Vacuum
Pre-Spray
Aggitate
HWE (hot water extract)
Spray protectant
Some will use a rinse "if" a newbie or unlearned person has the carpert saturated with soap or a cheap cleaner such as the all in one stuff from a previous cleaning..., but only to break down the old stuff and try to remove it...,
Then another HWE to remove all traces of soap, shampoo, rinses, etc, before applying a protectant.</HTML>
"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
www.waynestowels.com
Lets try this to stop any confusion.
Define "shampoo"
Are you speaking of Pre-spray?
Encapsulation?
Rinse Surfacant?
Etc, etc...,
Name a few "name brands and product names" of product you are speaking of..., just want to clear up any confusion
I only use water in my machine, as per Mytee Extractor instructions and
Steamway recommendations for product use.
Wait a minute..., are you speaking of the "All in one type cleaner" such as purchased at Wal-Mart or Sears that is for use in the "Consumer grade cleaners"..., yes, you are to use those in the machine, however, I know of no professional cleaner that uses shampoo in the water tank...
Vacuum
Pre-Spray
Aggitate
HWE (hot water extract)
Spray protectant
Some will use a rinse "if" a newbie or unlearned person has the carpert saturated with soap or a cheap cleaner such as the all in one stuff from a previous cleaning..., but only to break down the old stuff and try to remove it...,
Then another HWE to remove all traces of soap, shampoo, rinses, etc, before applying a protectant.</HTML>
"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
www.waynestowels.com
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Re: Extractor with or with out Soap Solution? June 05, 2004 01:15PM |
<HTML>Bud...,
You said to use "Shampoo".
"Wayne:
We are not talking about "soap." We are talking about "shampoo." In this case we are talking about "extractor shampoo" which is a completely different formulation than carpet and upholstery shampoo."
Jim said NOT to use "Shampoo"..., as did Mytee, Rightlook, Bane and a host of other "Professionals"
Let me repost Jims response
"Extractor fluid is NOT SHAMPOO, and this info from Bane-Clene..
"Bcause shampoos are actually very poor detergents and basically simply bury the dirt, they frequently also contain high levels of optical brighteners which take invisible ultraviolet light and convert it to visible light, thus making the carpet appear cleaner and brighter than it really is, for a while. It will eventually give the carpet a yellow cast and the yellow cannot be removed.".
Bud..., you will never admit being wrong or using old, outdated techniques, LOL!!
I think you are loosing a bit of credability with your nonsense posts
Here is a copy from a professional carpet cleaning boad when asked the same type question
I know, stupid question, but just wanted the "Carpet Pro's" to answer...,
I like to use my porty with only fresh, HOT water...,
He said to use a non-foaming shampoo IN the tank...,
I think it will leave a "film" that will attract dirt...,
Would not a pre-spray, aggitate/brush and extract with hot water work best?
What do the "Pro's" say?
(auto detailing carpet and upholstery)
Thanks guys!!
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Bob Wittkamp on June 04, 2004 - 06:51 PM
Prespray, agitate as needed, rinse with clear water. No sticky residue.
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Gary Hunt on June 04, 2004 - 07:05 PM
Just what Bob Wittkamp said, let a good pre-spray and agitation do the work for you.. All I ever use is a clear water rinse. I also like the Harvard Grime Release Pro for my pre-spray. Works great and no harsh fumes.
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by larry capitoni on June 04, 2004 - 07:46 PM
Some "pros" say, the "film" left by "some" shampoos is actually good and inhibits resoiling.
Personaly, I'm partial to a pre-spray, agitate/scrub, and HWE.
There are "pros" who advocate clear water, acid rinse and detergent rinse.
Take your pick
Auto detailing?
In some vehicals, curves and contours make it difficult and tedious to do a thorough HWE rinse of all the pre-spray.
That might be a good time for a quality, "good residue" shampoo, a strong vac and a hand full of spoting towels.
The upholstery would be a no brainer for me. If it's wet cleanable, a low moisture upholstery tool and HWE would be my choice.
But I'm no "pro".
I avoid auto detailing like the plague.
My wife has to bug me for months to clean her mini van, and it's relitivly easy compared to many vehicals.
I only do mine, cause I'm too cheap to pay $150 bucks at the detail shop.
...L.T.A.
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Jim Childers on June 04, 2004 - 08:55 PM
No residue is less likely to resoil quickly. How many times have you foam locked from the diy'ers using safeway machines?
clear or acid rinse all the way imho.
Jim
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Rick Freitas on June 04, 2004 - 08:59 PM
I use clear soft water, emulsifier, acid rinse and encapsulating rinse. It all depends on the situation.
Rick
Looking for 2 used Powerglide rotors. e-mail me!
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Dennis Cashner on June 04, 2004 - 09:08 PM
So what do the pro's use?
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Andy Vinczencz on June 04, 2004 - 09:55 PM
Water on most jobs
acid rinse on the nasty ones or if I think it's gonna wick back.
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Fred Carter on June 04, 2004 - 11:26 PM
Its hard to imagine beating oxidized soft water and just a small touch of emulsifier or rinse agent when its just unbelievably TRAsHed
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by George Wills on June 05, 2004 - 12:36 AM
The true pros don't have to worry about that, the true pro's use an OP.
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Rob Litwin on June 05, 2004 - 12:40 AM
I extract with soft water.
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Curtis Pennington on June 05, 2004 - 07:59 AM
Clear water rinse is all you need, detergent's are way overated.
A good prespray will do it all.
An acid rinse as mentioned is the only thing you you will need to add for specific jobs. We use clear water rinse 95% of the time.</HTML>
"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
www.waynestowels.com
You said to use "Shampoo".
"Wayne:
We are not talking about "soap." We are talking about "shampoo." In this case we are talking about "extractor shampoo" which is a completely different formulation than carpet and upholstery shampoo."
Jim said NOT to use "Shampoo"..., as did Mytee, Rightlook, Bane and a host of other "Professionals"
Let me repost Jims response
"Extractor fluid is NOT SHAMPOO, and this info from Bane-Clene..
"Bcause shampoos are actually very poor detergents and basically simply bury the dirt, they frequently also contain high levels of optical brighteners which take invisible ultraviolet light and convert it to visible light, thus making the carpet appear cleaner and brighter than it really is, for a while. It will eventually give the carpet a yellow cast and the yellow cannot be removed.".
Bud..., you will never admit being wrong or using old, outdated techniques, LOL!!
I think you are loosing a bit of credability with your nonsense posts
Here is a copy from a professional carpet cleaning boad when asked the same type question
I know, stupid question, but just wanted the "Carpet Pro's" to answer...,
I like to use my porty with only fresh, HOT water...,
He said to use a non-foaming shampoo IN the tank...,
I think it will leave a "film" that will attract dirt...,
Would not a pre-spray, aggitate/brush and extract with hot water work best?
What do the "Pro's" say?
(auto detailing carpet and upholstery)
Thanks guys!!
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Bob Wittkamp on June 04, 2004 - 06:51 PM
Prespray, agitate as needed, rinse with clear water. No sticky residue.
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Gary Hunt on June 04, 2004 - 07:05 PM
Just what Bob Wittkamp said, let a good pre-spray and agitation do the work for you.. All I ever use is a clear water rinse. I also like the Harvard Grime Release Pro for my pre-spray. Works great and no harsh fumes.
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by larry capitoni on June 04, 2004 - 07:46 PM
Some "pros" say, the "film" left by "some" shampoos is actually good and inhibits resoiling.
Personaly, I'm partial to a pre-spray, agitate/scrub, and HWE.
There are "pros" who advocate clear water, acid rinse and detergent rinse.
Take your pick
Auto detailing?
In some vehicals, curves and contours make it difficult and tedious to do a thorough HWE rinse of all the pre-spray.
That might be a good time for a quality, "good residue" shampoo, a strong vac and a hand full of spoting towels.
The upholstery would be a no brainer for me. If it's wet cleanable, a low moisture upholstery tool and HWE would be my choice.
But I'm no "pro".
I avoid auto detailing like the plague.
My wife has to bug me for months to clean her mini van, and it's relitivly easy compared to many vehicals.
I only do mine, cause I'm too cheap to pay $150 bucks at the detail shop.
...L.T.A.
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Jim Childers on June 04, 2004 - 08:55 PM
No residue is less likely to resoil quickly. How many times have you foam locked from the diy'ers using safeway machines?
clear or acid rinse all the way imho.
Jim
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Rick Freitas on June 04, 2004 - 08:59 PM
I use clear soft water, emulsifier, acid rinse and encapsulating rinse. It all depends on the situation.
Rick
Looking for 2 used Powerglide rotors. e-mail me!
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Dennis Cashner on June 04, 2004 - 09:08 PM
So what do the pro's use?
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Andy Vinczencz on June 04, 2004 - 09:55 PM
Water on most jobs
acid rinse on the nasty ones or if I think it's gonna wick back.
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Fred Carter on June 04, 2004 - 11:26 PM
Its hard to imagine beating oxidized soft water and just a small touch of emulsifier or rinse agent when its just unbelievably TRAsHed
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by George Wills on June 05, 2004 - 12:36 AM
The true pros don't have to worry about that, the true pro's use an OP.
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Rob Litwin on June 05, 2004 - 12:40 AM
I extract with soft water.
RE: Extract with water or soap water?
Posted by Curtis Pennington on June 05, 2004 - 07:59 AM
Clear water rinse is all you need, detergent's are way overated.
A good prespray will do it all.
An acid rinse as mentioned is the only thing you you will need to add for specific jobs. We use clear water rinse 95% of the time.</HTML>
"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
www.waynestowels.com
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Re: Extractor with or with out Soap Solution? June 05, 2004 04:13PM |
<HTML>Of course I know..., I was not recommending using "Shampoo" in the tank...,
Remember..., it was you, LOL!!!
Bud,
You just keep on and on..., you are "begining" to look quite foolish...,
At least everyone will know the truth about you after reading through many of the recent posts
Some of your posts are good..., but there is always a "money catch" behind them...
Other posts, the information has been outdated by centuries...,
Please read what you are posting and stop making the forum a "blasting ground" for people that are honest and have nothing to gain by having to "sift" through your nonsense...
PLEASE- for the sake of the forum,,, stop the foolishness</HTML>
"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
www.waynestowels.com
Remember..., it was you, LOL!!!
Bud,
You just keep on and on..., you are "begining" to look quite foolish...,
At least everyone will know the truth about you after reading through many of the recent posts
Some of your posts are good..., but there is always a "money catch" behind them...
Other posts, the information has been outdated by centuries...,
Please read what you are posting and stop making the forum a "blasting ground" for people that are honest and have nothing to gain by having to "sift" through your nonsense...
PLEASE- for the sake of the forum,,, stop the foolishness
</HTML>"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
www.waynestowels.com
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Re: Extractor with or with out Soap Solution? June 06, 2004 01:10AM |
<HTML>Eric,
I TOTALLY AGREE!!
Almost every post I make Bud wants to start an argument with me or ANYONE that does not do it "Bud's way"...,
I also wish the BS would stop...,
Why he continues to attack me..., I do not know????
Anyhow, great post</HTML>
"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
www.waynestowels.com
I TOTALLY AGREE!!
Almost every post I make Bud wants to start an argument with me or ANYONE that does not do it "Bud's way"...,
I also wish the BS would stop...,
Why he continues to attack me..., I do not know????
Anyhow, great post
</HTML>"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
www.waynestowels.com
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