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removing touch up paint
Posted by Jim Hammill
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removing touch up paint June 11, 2004 02:06AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 751 |
<HTML>I have this 2003 Satun L Car to do for the dealership. It's Metallic Green. Before the customer traded the vehicle in he decided to touch up every single scratch, and I mean EVERY single scratch on the car. He must have used several cans of touch up paint as this is just one panel of the car..
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..the whole car is covered like this , every single panel has maybe 20-30 touch ups, some are just small, some run the entire length of the panel.
I removed some of the touch up paint and the original scratches do not appear to be through the clear, in fact when buffed they are hardly noticeable at all.
Any suggestions on a good product to safely remove the touch up paint, the touch up paint has been on there several weeks. Vehicle has never been buffed before or had any other paint work done on it . I used some solvent to remove some of the smaller areas.
Thanks in advance .
Jim.</HTML>
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..the whole car is covered like this , every single panel has maybe 20-30 touch ups, some are just small, some run the entire length of the panel.
I removed some of the touch up paint and the original scratches do not appear to be through the clear, in fact when buffed they are hardly noticeable at all.
Any suggestions on a good product to safely remove the touch up paint, the touch up paint has been on there several weeks. Vehicle has never been buffed before or had any other paint work done on it . I used some solvent to remove some of the smaller areas.
Thanks in advance .
Jim.</HTML>
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Re: removing touch up paint June 11, 2004 02:35AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 505 |
<HTML>Oh boy!!
Sort of like new detailers who have read about things and polished up their mom's car, right?
Jim, can you do the "finger nail" test and feel if the "touch up" paint is below or above the OEM paint surface?
Since "touch up" paints that these "experts" buy at the local Auto Zone or Pep Boys, NAPA, etc are not high solid materials, but plain, old lacquers, great for careful touch-up, not this sort of exhibited thing, there may be a concern.
Can you "feel" the touch up material being above or below the normal surface?
If below it, not much you can do, in my opinion.
However, if above it, would use some sanding lube and 2000 grit, with a small sanding block and work the surface down to even with the OEM surface and then a light compound, rotary and a blended pad to see it it evens out.
If it don't, the dealership has a bodyshop, right?
Good, cause that is about the only true fix I know of.
That, and shoot or fire, the sales manager or sales man(who all think that because they have washed a car in their driveway, they are "experts",) the one who did the deal, took it in on trade and did not know paint from baby doo-doo, etc.
Of course, I am old, I am opinionated and I am Grumpy (goes with being old) so that would not make me popular with those "suits" that send the iron over the curb.
Big deal, I am "old".
Ketch
(PS, did I tell you that I am old and been around this business for over 40 years-God Bless Ronnie, he sat a new standard for me)</HTML>
Do it right or don't do it all!
Sort of like new detailers who have read about things and polished up their mom's car, right?
Jim, can you do the "finger nail" test and feel if the "touch up" paint is below or above the OEM paint surface?
Since "touch up" paints that these "experts" buy at the local Auto Zone or Pep Boys, NAPA, etc are not high solid materials, but plain, old lacquers, great for careful touch-up, not this sort of exhibited thing, there may be a concern.
Can you "feel" the touch up material being above or below the normal surface?
If below it, not much you can do, in my opinion.
However, if above it, would use some sanding lube and 2000 grit, with a small sanding block and work the surface down to even with the OEM surface and then a light compound, rotary and a blended pad to see it it evens out.
If it don't, the dealership has a bodyshop, right?
Good, cause that is about the only true fix I know of.
That, and shoot or fire, the sales manager or sales man(who all think that because they have washed a car in their driveway, they are "experts",) the one who did the deal, took it in on trade and did not know paint from baby doo-doo, etc.
Of course, I am old, I am opinionated and I am Grumpy (goes with being old) so that would not make me popular with those "suits" that send the iron over the curb.
Big deal, I am "old".
Ketch
(PS, did I tell you that I am old and been around this business for over 40 years-God Bless Ronnie, he sat a new standard for me)</HTML>
Do it right or don't do it all!
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Re: removing touch up paint June 11, 2004 02:36AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 33 |
<HTML> WoW !!!, what a mess. I woulld try laquer thinner. It may dull the original factory finish but should not remove it. To be safe I would suggest trying it in a somewhat hidden location. The only thing else I can think of would be to wet sand and buff.
But you have to be carefull not to break through the clear coat.</HTML>
But you have to be carefull not to break through the clear coat.</HTML>
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Re: removing touch up paint June 11, 2004 02:46AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 751 |
<HTML>Ron, you can feel the paint, he put it on with one of those "precision" brushes that come with the touch up paint. The crazy thing is, the scratches he painted over are so small that they would have easily buffed out.
Looks like I have a fun day set up tomorrow, really going to have to just abotu wet sand the whole car .
Thanks.
Jim.</HTML>
Looks like I have a fun day set up tomorrow, really going to have to just abotu wet sand the whole car .
Thanks.
Jim.</HTML>
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Re: removing touch up paint June 11, 2004 03:20AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 505 |
<HTML>As a technican at a Saturn dealership, you are aware of how sensitive the brand is to CSI, and based on the age of the vehicle, anything you do that may jump up in the next year as a CSI issue may bite the dealership in the butt.
Please, DON'T USE LACQUER THINNER on an OEM high solid clear.
You have been to training courses offered by your dealerships franchises, watched and learned from training tapes, live broadcasts on their private TV networks, so you have had an opportunity to learn from the paint and trim engineers which most are not able to do.
If the body shop or your area have an electronic thickness gauge, I would take some readings in the areas of the screwup, (must have been a lease car, right) and then with some 2000 grit, and a pad, wet sand off .3 mil and buff it out.
If they ain't gone, shoot the dumbass saleman and send it to the body shop or--- don't do anything but what you can and glaze/oil it up and tell em to send it to the auction.
One of my favorite sayings when it comes to reality and facing reality, ----
"You can't always make chicken salad out of chicken sh-t" and this may be one of those cases.</HTML>
Do it right or don't do it all!
Please, DON'T USE LACQUER THINNER on an OEM high solid clear.
You have been to training courses offered by your dealerships franchises, watched and learned from training tapes, live broadcasts on their private TV networks, so you have had an opportunity to learn from the paint and trim engineers which most are not able to do.
If the body shop or your area have an electronic thickness gauge, I would take some readings in the areas of the screwup, (must have been a lease car, right) and then with some 2000 grit, and a pad, wet sand off .3 mil and buff it out.
If they ain't gone, shoot the dumbass saleman and send it to the body shop or--- don't do anything but what you can and glaze/oil it up and tell em to send it to the auction.
One of my favorite sayings when it comes to reality and facing reality, ----
"You can't always make chicken salad out of chicken sh-t" and this may be one of those cases.</HTML>
Do it right or don't do it all!
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Re: removing touch up paint June 12, 2004 02:23PM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 751 |
<HTML>Finally got this L car done late yesterday afternoon. The exterior took about 5 hours all told. I counted 78 areas where the touch up paint had been applied. Nearly %90 of all the scratches that were covered up could have simply been removed with a good buffing . The other %10 were through the clear, or too deep to remove.
I got the model year wrong in my first post, it is a 2000 not a 2004, it has 18 thousand miles on it.
Process.
Clean an prep/clay bar
Wet sanding (2000 grit)
Compound 1500 Grit
Polish
One application of wax.
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Jim.</HTML>
I got the model year wrong in my first post, it is a 2000 not a 2004, it has 18 thousand miles on it.
Process.
Clean an prep/clay bar
Wet sanding (2000 grit)
Compound 1500 Grit
Polish
One application of wax.
<img src="[www.detailersassociation.com];
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Jim.</HTML>
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Re: removing touch up paint June 13, 2004 01:05AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 1,838 |
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Re: removing touch up paint June 13, 2004 02:50AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 751 |
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Re: removing touch up paint June 13, 2004 11:43AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 443 |
<HTML>I have used Mothers Paint Chip Repair Kit to remove excess "TU" paint either by hand for small areas or with a polisher for larger areas..., real time saver...,
BTW, the finish look great after you buffedit out..., huge difference
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"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
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BTW, the finish look great after you buffedit out..., huge difference
</HTML>"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
www.waynestowels.com
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