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2000 Lariet Leather
Posted by Jana
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2000 Lariet Leather May 04, 2004 10:06PM |
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 04, 2004 11:09PM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 13 |
<HTML>if you are careful you could try laquer thinner on a hidden spot and check your cloth if the dye doesnt come off try it mixed with a damp cloth ,be sure to follow with a leather conditioner.Do not use it on the dash or door panels.It will dry out the leather so condition it ,</HTML>
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 04, 2004 11:47PM |
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<HTML>Using lacquer thinner on your leather is extremely dangerous!...
While some people in the leather repair industry use lacquer thinner to strip off top coating and color when a repair is done....It is flammable and not intended to be used as a leather cleaner to remove soiling... It can and will destroy the finish on the leather.
Without seeing and touching the leather in your vehicle it is difficult to know exactly what the problem is...or what the remedy should be...
Take your vehicle to a professional detailer and have him/her analyze the problem and give you their recommendations.</HTML>
While some people in the leather repair industry use lacquer thinner to strip off top coating and color when a repair is done....It is flammable and not intended to be used as a leather cleaner to remove soiling... It can and will destroy the finish on the leather.
Without seeing and touching the leather in your vehicle it is difficult to know exactly what the problem is...or what the remedy should be...
Take your vehicle to a professional detailer and have him/her analyze the problem and give you their recommendations.</HTML>
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 05, 2004 02:48AM |
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 05, 2004 03:21AM |
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 05, 2004 05:30AM |
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<HTML>Jana:
The leather in your vehicle is what is called "protected leather." That is analine leather that is literally painted to color it the same as the vinyl. They call it dye but it really is paint on the surface of the leather. Then it is coated with a plastic coating.
Some say the coating is not permiable and others say it is. Meaning that it will accept a leather conditioner.
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you use laquer thinner on the leather as you will remove the "paint."
And, the only leather in the car is on the seating surfaces. The rest of the vehicle is vinyl.
Frightening how little supposed professional detailers know about the materials they are working on.
There are leather conditioners for car leathers that will replace the oils lost to evaporation.
Regards
Bud Abraham</HTML>
buda
The leather in your vehicle is what is called "protected leather." That is analine leather that is literally painted to color it the same as the vinyl. They call it dye but it really is paint on the surface of the leather. Then it is coated with a plastic coating.
Some say the coating is not permiable and others say it is. Meaning that it will accept a leather conditioner.
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you use laquer thinner on the leather as you will remove the "paint."
And, the only leather in the car is on the seating surfaces. The rest of the vehicle is vinyl.
Frightening how little supposed professional detailers know about the materials they are working on.
There are leather conditioners for car leathers that will replace the oils lost to evaporation.
Regards
Bud Abraham</HTML>
buda
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 05, 2004 10:03AM |
<HTML>Bud,
Was there ever a time when car leather was not painted protected leather? if so, when did it change to painted leather?
The reason I ask is that I have used Saddle Soap on the leather in many different vehicles, especially those with light colored leather, including Caddilac and Mercedes Benz. I always got very good results with no appearant problems.
Do you think there is a problem with using Saddle Soap even though the surface of the leather is painted?</HTML>
Was there ever a time when car leather was not painted protected leather? if so, when did it change to painted leather?
The reason I ask is that I have used Saddle Soap on the leather in many different vehicles, especially those with light colored leather, including Caddilac and Mercedes Benz. I always got very good results with no appearant problems.
Do you think there is a problem with using Saddle Soap even though the surface of the leather is painted?</HTML>
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 05, 2004 01:19PM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 3,550 |
<HTML>Frank:
Very good question. I am not certain when the automanufacturers switched from naked analine leather to protected leather.
However, there is absolutely no problem using saddle soap on protected leather. As mentioned, we are now researching just how porous the protected leather finish is with the urethane finish.
I will let you know as this question came up at the ICA Seminar on chemicals and one of the chemists on the panel was researching the issue.
The question is not whether saddle soap would cause any harm to protected leather, it is really whether it would do any good.
Thanks for asking
Bud A</HTML>
buda
Very good question. I am not certain when the automanufacturers switched from naked analine leather to protected leather.
However, there is absolutely no problem using saddle soap on protected leather. As mentioned, we are now researching just how porous the protected leather finish is with the urethane finish.
I will let you know as this question came up at the ICA Seminar on chemicals and one of the chemists on the panel was researching the issue.
The question is not whether saddle soap would cause any harm to protected leather, it is really whether it would do any good.
Thanks for asking
Bud A</HTML>
buda
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 05, 2004 01:53PM |
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 05, 2004 02:31PM |
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<HTML>Brian:
Wrong assumption. These high end luxury cars do not necessarily use naked leather. We were cleaning a top end Ferrari in a Middle East detail center and found that the "paint/dye" was coming off. Our red towels were covered with white paint/dye.
The only way to know is put some moisture on the leather, if it soaks in and you have a dark spot you have naked leather. Or, run your finger across the leather, if it leaves a mark, it is naked leather.
Do not make assumptions that just because a car is high end it has naked leather.
I know for a fact that the BMW's & MB's that I have driven use protected leather.
Regards
Bud A</HTML>
buda
Wrong assumption. These high end luxury cars do not necessarily use naked leather. We were cleaning a top end Ferrari in a Middle East detail center and found that the "paint/dye" was coming off. Our red towels were covered with white paint/dye.
The only way to know is put some moisture on the leather, if it soaks in and you have a dark spot you have naked leather. Or, run your finger across the leather, if it leaves a mark, it is naked leather.
Do not make assumptions that just because a car is high end it has naked leather.
I know for a fact that the BMW's & MB's that I have driven use protected leather.
Regards
Bud A</HTML>
buda
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 05, 2004 10:08PM |
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<HTML>Bud,
Maybe naked is the wrong term to use. The Acuras I've done were definitely untreated and left absorption marks wherever applied. That's why I apply liberal amounts of conditioner and buff off the excess.
What year was the Ferrari and did the dealer have it redyed? I had the same problem and told the manager what was happening and he said that he had it redyed the previous year.
Now when you say protected, do you mean coated with paint? Plus, why would leather crack if it's not conditioned twice a month? 9 out of 10 older cars I detail that have leather have some minor cracking.</HTML>
Take care,
Brian
Precision Auto & Marine
Learn to detail boats! Visit www.detailtheboat.com
Maybe naked is the wrong term to use. The Acuras I've done were definitely untreated and left absorption marks wherever applied. That's why I apply liberal amounts of conditioner and buff off the excess.
What year was the Ferrari and did the dealer have it redyed? I had the same problem and told the manager what was happening and he said that he had it redyed the previous year.
Now when you say protected, do you mean coated with paint? Plus, why would leather crack if it's not conditioned twice a month? 9 out of 10 older cars I detail that have leather have some minor cracking.</HTML>
Take care,
Brian
Precision Auto & Marine
Learn to detail boats! Visit www.detailtheboat.com
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 06, 2004 02:20AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 13 |
<HTML>bud
the question was how to clean dirty leather seats .alot of us blue collar detailers who still have to work on dirty cars dont need your scientific mumbo jumbo explanations or your rhetoric when did you last clean a dirty leather seat?I know you dont put a conditioner over dirt it needs to be cleaned first. I have carefully used laquer thinner on older dirty leather seats and it lightens them up.I know it sounds crazy but it improves the look and there are occasions when it could cause a problem that is why you test it first.I would not use it on a ferrari or at an exotic middle east detail shop but we cant all be so fortunate.some of us clean fords, chevys,or whatever comes in.</HTML>
the question was how to clean dirty leather seats .alot of us blue collar detailers who still have to work on dirty cars dont need your scientific mumbo jumbo explanations or your rhetoric when did you last clean a dirty leather seat?I know you dont put a conditioner over dirt it needs to be cleaned first. I have carefully used laquer thinner on older dirty leather seats and it lightens them up.I know it sounds crazy but it improves the look and there are occasions when it could cause a problem that is why you test it first.I would not use it on a ferrari or at an exotic middle east detail shop but we cant all be so fortunate.some of us clean fords, chevys,or whatever comes in.</HTML>
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 06, 2004 03:35AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 1,838 |
<HTML>In that case, a mild pH detergent (Auto Magic's Vinyl & Leather Cleaner) or (Stoner's Xenit for neglected seats.) Never let a detergent dry on leather -- constantly wipe with clean damp cloths.</HTML>
Take care,
Brian
Precision Auto & Marine
Learn to detail boats! Visit www.detailtheboat.com
Take care,
Brian
Precision Auto & Marine
Learn to detail boats! Visit www.detailtheboat.com
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 06, 2004 04:39AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 3,550 |
<HTML>Freddie:
Reviewed my posts and was unable to find any scientific, mumbo-jumbo as you call it.
Since when does a detailer not need to know about the leathers he is working on and the intrinsic nature of the paint finishes he repairs, etc?
Where did you get your formal detail training? And what "expert" told you it was ok to use laquer thinner on leather seats?
When was the last time I detailed a car? About 5 days ago. That is my business, why would you think that I do not know how to detail a vehicle?
Let us keep these postings about detailing and not resort to personal attacks when you disagree with what someone says.
Regards
Bud Abraham</HTML>
buda
Reviewed my posts and was unable to find any scientific, mumbo-jumbo as you call it.
Since when does a detailer not need to know about the leathers he is working on and the intrinsic nature of the paint finishes he repairs, etc?
Where did you get your formal detail training? And what "expert" told you it was ok to use laquer thinner on leather seats?
When was the last time I detailed a car? About 5 days ago. That is my business, why would you think that I do not know how to detail a vehicle?
Let us keep these postings about detailing and not resort to personal attacks when you disagree with what someone says.
Regards
Bud Abraham</HTML>
buda
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 06, 2004 04:22PM |
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 17, 2004 10:43PM |
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 17, 2004 10:48PM |
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 18, 2004 12:01AM |
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<HTML>Xenit is a powerful water-based cleaner. Look at Stoner's website: [www.cleanitwithxenit.com]
You want the blue can, not the citrus. The orange xenit is a solvent based and will most likely stain the Lariet leather. Now the Lariet leather is more like a suede-type leather, correct? Like a "Bomber" jacket.
Apply Xenit to microfiber towel and not directly to leather. You can also try Stoner's Trim Cleaner (basically same stuff as blue Xenit)
To order Auto Magic products, you must get in touch with a distributor. But their vinyl/leather cleaners are more mild.</HTML>
Take care,
Brian
Precision Auto & Marine
Learn to detail boats! Visit www.detailtheboat.com
You want the blue can, not the citrus. The orange xenit is a solvent based and will most likely stain the Lariet leather. Now the Lariet leather is more like a suede-type leather, correct? Like a "Bomber" jacket.
Apply Xenit to microfiber towel and not directly to leather. You can also try Stoner's Trim Cleaner (basically same stuff as blue Xenit)
To order Auto Magic products, you must get in touch with a distributor. But their vinyl/leather cleaners are more mild.</HTML>
Take care,
Brian
Precision Auto & Marine
Learn to detail boats! Visit www.detailtheboat.com
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 18, 2004 01:06AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 74 |
<HTML>You are all wrong. The best way to clean leather is with a mixture of gasoline and hydroflouric acid. Pour it on and brush with a brass-bristle brush. Then rinse with a 3000 PSI pressure washer with a zero-degree nozzle. Dry the leather with leaf blower and then top it off with your favorite leather conditioner.</HTML>
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 18, 2004 01:07AM |
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 18, 2004 01:53AM |
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<HTML>Have to ask, not trying to create an argument, but leather is like your skin.
Especially uncoated leather, remove the coating with a strong solvent like MEK in lacquer thinner, and it does, you expose the leather to chemicals.
If you use lacquer thinner and it does end up on your hands, ever notice how your hands turn to a "white look"?
That is because the main ingrediant in lacquer thinner is MEK, but then you don't think it is important to know what MEK stands for, so I will stop.
Sorry to bore you and assume you would wish to know what chemicals you may be using could damage not only you, but the vehicles you are being paid to clean and not harm.
Ketch
(aka-Grumpy)
Ketch</HTML>
Do it right or don't do it all!
Especially uncoated leather, remove the coating with a strong solvent like MEK in lacquer thinner, and it does, you expose the leather to chemicals.
If you use lacquer thinner and it does end up on your hands, ever notice how your hands turn to a "white look"?
That is because the main ingrediant in lacquer thinner is MEK, but then you don't think it is important to know what MEK stands for, so I will stop.
Sorry to bore you and assume you would wish to know what chemicals you may be using could damage not only you, but the vehicles you are being paid to clean and not harm.
Ketch
(aka-Grumpy)
Ketch</HTML>
Do it right or don't do it all!
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 18, 2004 02:24AM |
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 18, 2004 02:40AM |
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<HTML>Brian:
All all purpose cleaners use solvents. The true citrus cleaner uses diLimoneen the natural solvent which might even be better for leather.
The other water-based cleaners use a solvent that is called glycol ether or known as butyl celusolv which is probably a more harsh solvent than diLimoneen.
In any case, neither type of cleaner should be used on unprotected leather. What the leather experts require for analine leather; nu-buck and suede is a solvent cleaner, not a water based cleaner.
So as to not confuse, water based cleaners mentioned above, even though they have solvents in them are not "solvent cleaners."
To make it easy we are talking about something, like, but not, "dry cleaning solvents, which are very dangerous and highly regulated.
Hope that clears up your confusion.
Bud Abraham</HTML>
buda
All all purpose cleaners use solvents. The true citrus cleaner uses diLimoneen the natural solvent which might even be better for leather.
The other water-based cleaners use a solvent that is called glycol ether or known as butyl celusolv which is probably a more harsh solvent than diLimoneen.
In any case, neither type of cleaner should be used on unprotected leather. What the leather experts require for analine leather; nu-buck and suede is a solvent cleaner, not a water based cleaner.
So as to not confuse, water based cleaners mentioned above, even though they have solvents in them are not "solvent cleaners."
To make it easy we are talking about something, like, but not, "dry cleaning solvents, which are very dangerous and highly regulated.
Hope that clears up your confusion.
Bud Abraham</HTML>
buda
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 18, 2004 04:13AM |
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<HTML>This is what happens when you use the wrong cleaner . This vehicle came in today and the gentleman had another detail shop in town clean his leather seats. I have no idea what they used...
<img src="[www.angelfire.com];
When it's done tomorrow I'll post the after pics.
Jim.</HTML>
<img src="[www.angelfire.com];
![www.angelfire.com](http://www.angelfire.com/ia3/detail1/satseat.JPG">){kind=link}
When it's done tomorrow I'll post the after pics.
Jim.</HTML>
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 18, 2004 04:16AM |
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<HTML>all seats, front and rear are like this.
<img src="[www.angelfire.com];
My first thought was that a pop can had blown all over the seats, but this is what the other detail shop did...he refused to take the vehicle back to them and it is just a year old...
Jim.</HTML>
<img src="[www.angelfire.com];
![www.angelfire.com](http://www.angelfire.com/ia3/detail1/satseat1.JPG">){kind=link}
My first thought was that a pop can had blown all over the seats, but this is what the other detail shop did...he refused to take the vehicle back to them and it is just a year old...
Jim.</HTML>
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 18, 2004 12:29PM |
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<HTML>Angelfire wont post the images for some reason.
[www.angelfire.com]
[www.angelfire.com]
Jim.</HTML>
[www.angelfire.com]
[www.angelfire.com]
Jim.</HTML>
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 19, 2004 02:35AM |
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<HTML>the after pics...
[www.angelfire.com]
[www.angelfire.com]
Malco leather and plastic cleaner, Malco leather conditioner.
Have a feeling that someone had used washing up liquid to clean the leather.
Jim.</HTML>
[www.angelfire.com]
[www.angelfire.com]
Malco leather and plastic cleaner, Malco leather conditioner.
Have a feeling that someone had used washing up liquid to clean the leather.
Jim.</HTML>
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 19, 2004 03:49AM |
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Re: 2000 Lariet Leather May 19, 2004 04:32AM |
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