Trust those that have been there, Why ? August 26, 2010 01:49PM |
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For anyone who is working to be a true professional and do what is right, not as stated earlier, "that's the way I have done it and that's all I need to know" sort, you did the right thing.
Don't let all the technical get in your way.
Learn to at least try the excellent advice being provided by long, long time experts in the field such at Gina and Bud, keep working to improve your techniques, and each job you do, will get easier and you will experience better and better results.
In short, just do the "right thing", not what just anyone says for you to do.
Trust those who have been there, and in this case, these two have "been there".
Ketcj <br.
You should trust people who tell you that swirl marks are a fact of life, and just
live with it.There is just nothing you can do about it.A club of three who suggest
paint correction( a technique that was designed for cars that were made before clear coat paint jobs) as the only solution(which it is not).
I was the one who mentioned acrylic paint sealants to this forum, and to my knowledge, none of the so called professionals here had a clue what they are.
I mention a simple way to prevent swirl marks here,and the professionals
say I am wrong, and do not listen to me because I have not been posting here that long.<br>
I admit I have not formulated products like Bud and Ketch, and not trained 3,000
people how to wear clear coats down with paint correction for the sake of removing
swirl marks caused by using wax. Here is a statement from Bud on wax:
How can someone say a wax will damage a clear coat?
All a wax has in it are waxes, either natural or synthetic, oils, solvent, colorant. What prey tel, is there that will damage a clear coat?
Anyone know?
Hey Ketch, this is the guy you suggest as a professional? I have answered that
question at least 10 times here, but for some reason it is not what the experts want to hear, so of course I am a quack.
For the newbies here, I want to offer advice that is directed for you. My advice
comes from many years of actual experience doing detail work as a business.It will be easy to understand, and will not require spending money on products and
equipment you do not need. For example: A good wet/vac will cost you around a
$100, but a carpet extractor will run into the the thousands for a good one.<br>
IMO, the wet/vac is a better investment. You can use it to vac your car, and save money that you would spend for a pay vac site. Plus, it is handy for things around the house.<br>
Before I started posting here. This site was about as informative as the nightly
news. I really have not seen anything posted from the experts here,except,I am wrong and listen to Bud and Gina because they belong to the IDA.<br>
You have the right to post your opinion, but I do not post comments like the one above.If I make comments on something, I know what I am talking about, not this
crap.<br>
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svr73
I really think you are too concerned with polishing and abrasives, and not
protection. You mention :I'd love to know how to eliminate correction or make it far easier and quicker. Well, here is my answer. I am not exactly sure what you are using as your protection step, but it sounds like an polish. IMO polishes remove flaws and swirls, but do not seal or protect the micro pores of the clear coat.<br>
PPS technology does this. Here is an article on it:[ppstechnology.com]. Most cars today use acrylic urethane's for the clear coat
because of cost. They are not very durable, and protection is very important.<br>.
That is why AT-5 or toughseal should be used because of the acrylic to acrylic
bond.When these products are used there is no need for harsh cleaners, polishes,
or abrasives more than one time.My experience with hundreds of vehicles requires a wash, clay bar, and another application.IMO if you use correction on a vehicle, and do it again within a year. Your protection product is not doing it's job.<br>
I like a deep shine that you could shave with, but I want to protect my paint
more.IMO if you prevent damage then you do not need correction to fix it.
Here is what I consider protection and shine:[www.youtube.com]
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SVR
By all means please do indicate what more there is to paint finishing than what I suggested above?
Certainly there is washing and claying, but that is about prepping and cleaning the finish not correcting, swirl-removing/polishing and protecting.
You might want to mention wet or dry sanding, and while I can agree that "some" detailers do this, the majority do not.
Our philosophy has always been that wet/dry sanding is a professional body and paint tech's responsibility because if they make a mistake they can correct it.
If a detailer attempts to wet/dry sand and makes a mistake it can be a several thousand dollar mistake.
There are plenty of cars out there that only need buffing, polishing or protecting, why undertake more complicated work, for fewer customers?
You are not wrong if you hold a different opinion and I am not correct in my opinion it has simply to do with operational philosophy.
Regards
Bud abraham
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