Bill- You tell them there is no Teflon left when you really don't know if that is true ? Are you bragging that you lie to your customers ? You agreed to wax a vehicle every three months for money even though you are against wax and believe ( erroneously ) that it causes damage ? Contrary to your opinion, you can wax over a sealant and the wax will stick to the surface ( I'by Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bill: I am not a member of a detailing association.by Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bunk.by Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bill- That is not what you have been saying. You've said a million times that wax causes scratches. Obviously, the stripping away doesn't cause scratches either ; it simply reveals them. I'm beginning to think not only "spam" but "troll" LOL.by Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bill: You know very well that I was attacking your silly claim that waxes DO scratch or else you can't read. Talk about putting words in someone's mouth !by Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bill: Now you expect me to explain why waxes and sealants don't do something ? The burden of proof is on you, as you made the absurd allegation that they " break down and cause swirls ". Your selective quoting out of context does not deserve an answer. And, yes I have some vague idea what I am saying. You, however, never admit you are wrong despite being refuted thby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bill: First of all, you need to learn the difference between buffer swirls and cobwebbing... Dougby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bill- I bet you wish I'd " keep my comments about your detailing ability to myself ". Actually, I never commented on your ability--I argued with your absurd opinion that wax causes swirls and scratches. My personal experience has been that : 1) The best shine is obtained by polishing with Griot's Machine Polish #3 and applying at least 2 coats of Zaino Z-2 Pro. Zaiby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bill- Waxes and poly sealants do not, as you claim, " break down and cause swirls ". Not in reality, anyway, and I put a lot of stock in reality. Dougby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
bobm : Thanks for the kind reply. According to my calculator, you were paid $18.75 per hour minus your overhead for that 8-hour job. That does not sound like enough to make a profit. It is true that you must charge by the job. That means estimating each job based on how many hours it averages and how much you wish to charge per hour for that type of work. If you make up forby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bill- Those are not swirls. They are cobweb scratches and are most certainly not, as you suspect, wax residues. (I can understand "holograms" but you are experiencing "hallucinations")LOL. If this Opti-Coat product lasts 7 years or forever, I'd still ask if it stains from road grime. If it stains, I'd want to use a light polish to clean away the stainsby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bill: And your point is...? Looks as if the guy on TruthinDetailing knows his stuff. He started with a couple of severe cases of cobwebbing and did some good correction. Your vid shows a car in reasonably good condition that gets a wash and sealant application. I don't know if the product used in the vid contains any cleaner. If it does, it polishes and seals in one step, a gby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bill : The detailer did a beautiful job and you should be commending him. To answer your question, if the car is washed properly, it will retain its present condition for years. Why shouldn't we care BTW ? If you are back on that superstitious kick about how you think wax or frequent waxing causes scratches, well, I said I was through correcting you...If it worries you so much, tryby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bill : For the ( maybe ) last time...WAX DOES NOT SCRATCH THE PAINT !!!!! You once again knock a serious detailer to elevate yourself. The guy no doubt had information that the car was washed by hand by a dealer and the scratching is consistent with improper hand washing/drying.by Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
billd : You are wrongly criticizing this man. He said he removed glazes and fillers, not that he simply applied them to cover defects. He corrected the defects and it would be okay to use glaze / filler to cover any residual imperfections. The guy appears to be a sincere detailer, who experiments with various products and processes.by Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Well, we are obviously only hearing part of the discussion here. The other guy sounds correct and Bill, you are entitled to minimize paint removal and cover defects if you so choose. So you point is...?by Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Larry : Klasse is acrylic. Duragloss Swirl Mark Remover ( a sealant ) contains acrylic. These acrylic products do not seem to outlast or outshine Zaino, which is billed as a polymer product. I have given up trying to evaluate the products based on the chemicals they contain. " The proof of the pudding is in the eating. "by Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
I think this is where Grumpy usually cites the difference between enthusiast detailing and professional detailing. Lessee...26 hours times $60 an hour equals ( reaching for my smart phone with calculator function ) 1560 dollars worth of services on the paint alone. Now that the paint is done, we can start on the trim, tires, interior and maybe undercarriage. I'm betting that most detailby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Guys- The traditional approach for a professional is to correct defects rather than hide them whenever feasible. If the defects are only hidden , the defects will reappear if the wax/sealant/polish/glaze is stripped away by commercial car washing, road salt, paint prep products etc. The disadvantage of paint correction is that paint must be removed to level the paint because the only way tby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Profile Detailer : Sorry if I gave the impression that I am involved with the association. I am not even a member. I meant that as a little dig at Bud and Marnie for their frequent posts urging anyone who asks a question to join up. Dougby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Peachypan : I recommend that you follow Grumpy's sage advice to consider the source of the information you get and, with that in mind, pay particular attention to my archived posts on this forum. Also, consider checking your public library for DVDs and books on detailing. If the library doesn't stock such materials, it can still order them for you. You can buy (or obtain freby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
I read a book called, " How I feed My Family on $16 a day ". Okay, it is a very old book. One way the author said she saved money was by using one cleaning product to do almost everything instead of buying separate products for each household task ( bathroom tile cleaner, stain remover, floor cleaner, counter-top cleaner, toilet cleaner----you get the idea ). The author said sheby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bud : In 1976, a car wholesaler told me that he was paying $75 for a package deal consisting of a full detail and pin-striping. Imagine what that would be in today's dollars. $400 ? Around that time, one dealer quoted a retail price of $250 to completely detail a car. I don't know why prices are so low today but I can speculate that... : 1) Guys keep getting intoby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
I'm not a forum moderator but I play one on the Internet ( LOL). Bill, you are probably still wondering why this forum has not banned you, the way the other forums did. Well, I'm going to give away the secret ! This is an un-moderated forum. Even the Webmaster pays little attention to it. Bill, you can spam to your hearts content here and never get banned. Isn't thatby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
If you are starting with only 2 men, I'd advise sticking to car washing only. Use related add-on services for extra profit : 1) Bug and tar removal followed by second wash/rinse. 2) Floor mat pressure wash with partial towel dry. 3) Wheel cleaning. 4) Dress tires. 5) Interior wipe-down including windows, interior vacuum. 6) Spray-on quick wax or use of a 'wash'n wax'by Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bobm : You might benefit from some good aftermarket insoles. Shoe makers typically use cheap insoles that crush out quickly. The cheap factory insoles feel great when new but don't last. Red Wing work boots are well-respected and U.S. made. May be worth checking out. Doug P.S. Wax your shoes with a quality shoe polish containing silicone. I use Parade Gloss by Kiwi.by Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
I would try a fine clay bar. The leading brand in these is AutoMagic, often sold at body shop supply stores. Griot's and Zaino bars are good too, but expect to order them online. You can find Mother's and Meguiar's consumer models in stores. There is a search function on this site to help you read past posts on this subject. Also read the thread, "How To Get Transfer Paby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bud : I'm with you. I've spilled countless products onto my skin and clothes. I even got Castrol Super-clean APC in my eyes by getting a little on my hand and then later touching my eyes. It seems like madness to handle a liquid that you can't afford to spill even once, especially to make detailers' wages. It is like playing around with explosives. One spill anby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Bud : Just found this on HF Acid : FATAL ACCIDENT HYDROFLUORIC ACID Significant Incident-- While sitting at a fume cupboard processing mineral samples a laboratory technician knocked approximately I00 mls of hydrofluoric acid onto his thighs. Immediate 10% body burns ensued. Despite rapid flushing with water and emergency hospitalization he died 15 days later. Contributing Factors-- Cby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts
Here is a link to Toughseal : I once spoke to a pro detailer who used Toughseal. He said it lasted 6 months, not the " up to 15 years " mentioned by the maker. The product contains PTFE, a generic name fot Teflon. Some sources say Teflon does not work the same way on cars as it does on pots and pans because it cannot be bonded to paint the same way it is to cookware. I mby Doug Delmont - Auto Detailing: Secrets of the Experts